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Having really bad luck with my baby bearded dragons

chitapett Jun 10, 2004 12:23 AM

I've owned bearded dragons for about 5 years now. I have 2 juvenile, about 1-year-old, bearded dragons. Recently one started showing signs of MBD. Now my other baby slipped into some sort of a coma and he is has been sleeping for a couple of days pausing only momentarily to open his mouth and gasp for some air. I've made sure he stayed hydrated by feeding him/her water with a dropper but I am afraid he may have some serious problems. I'm going to take him to a vet but I wanted to know if anyone has ever heard of such a thing. I read online that sometimes if a lizard has impacted bowless he can go into some sort of a sleep so I've been soaking him in some warm water to help with digestion but he just doesn't want to wake up.

Thanks guys

Mike
mikeciaramitaro@charter.net

Replies (4)

wideglide Jun 10, 2004 08:11 AM

I guess the first question that comes to my mind is what are their diets and do you have a UVB light? I really couldn't tell you what's wrong with your other dragon but I'm willing to bet there's an issue with your husbandry that needs to be fixed. That sounds kind of offensive(sorry) but I don't know how else to put it.
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Rob Talkington

B22 Jun 12, 2004 05:43 PM

hi
could you tell more about youre set up ??!?!?
you have uvb lightning?
and what is the temp under the spot?
what you feeding youre dragon??
you use powders to dust like calsium and vitamine ???
tel so much as posibal about youre set up maybe whe see some thing is wrong !!
goodluck!!
byeeeeeee
http://run.to/b22

chitapett Jun 14, 2004 11:56 PM

I have my 2 lizards in a 15-gallon tank. Plenty of space for both of them. I have a brand new Exoterra 15W Repti Glo 8.0 UVB tube and a 65 watt basking lamp. I feed them a combination of crickets (dusted with ReptoCal calcium and Vitamin D3 by Tetrafauna), shredded lettuce and sometimes baby bloodworms. They sit on some sort of calci-sand that is made for lizards just in case they happen to eat some of it is made of calcium and won't hurt them. Their setup is powered with aid of a timer, which is set to light for 8 hours, and turns off for the rest of the day. In the day their temperature is about 85-90 MAX and at night it is about 65 - 70. Since the one has slipped into a sleep, I have been feeding liquid calcium and plenty of water through a dropper. While doing this the lizard seems to fight me a little bit which tells me he/she is responsive. Other than that though I see an occasional open and shut of the mouth and slight head movement. Let me know if this helps.

wideglide Jun 15, 2004 09:21 AM

>>I have my 2 lizards in a 15-gallon tank. Plenty of space for both of them. I have a brand new Exoterra 15W Repti Glo 8.0 UVB tube and a 65 watt basking lamp. I feed them a combination of crickets (dusted with ReptoCal calcium and Vitamin D3 by Tetrafauna), shredded lettuce and sometimes baby bloodworms. They sit on some sort of calci-sand that is made for lizards just in case they happen to eat some of it is made of calcium and won't hurt them. Their setup is powered with aid of a timer, which is set to light for 8 hours, and turns off for the rest of the day. In the day their temperature is about 85-90 MAX and at night it is about 65 - 70. Since the one has slipped into a sleep, I have been feeding liquid calcium and plenty of water through a dropper. While doing this the lizard seems to fight me a little bit which tells me he/she is responsive. Other than that though I see an occasional open and shut of the mouth and slight head movement. Let me know if this helps.

First off I'm going to be blunt here so just take this advice as things you need to change and not as insults. You need to change almost every aspect of your husbandry or your beardies WILL DIE.

At one year old each of your dragons should be an average of 18-22 inches. A 15 gallon tank is completely inadequate for even one beardie that is one year old. A good sign you have been doing things wrong is that right there. I'm guessing your beardies are way smaller than they should be.

Their diet needs a lot of work. Lettuce is completely useless as it has no nutritional value whatsoever. I don't know about the bloodworms. Your beardies should have a salad available everyday consisting of nutritions greens and veggies. Some greens are collard, mustard, dandelion, turnip, escerole. There are links at the bottom of my post that will help you out tremendously. You MUST read the information contained on those sites if you want your beardies to stop suffering. Yes, they are in pain and suffering right now.

Your substrate has a good chance of killing your beardies as well. The labels on reptile products are not regulated and are filled with misleading information and lies. The calcium your beardies sit on can be injested but it has the potential to do a lot of harm. It can change the ph of their stomach and it also has a tendency to clump up and block the digestive system which will eventually lead to death. Try putting a bit in a glass of water and see how quickly it dissolves.

Their day/night cycles are way off as well. During the summer they should have 14 hours of light and 10 of dark. In the winter flip these numbers grudually.

The basking spot they use needs to be a minimum of 90. Preferrable 105-115 although I have heard some have it a little lower for adults but never below 90. If I were you I'd take it up to 100 minimum.

You need to get new enclosures badly. If you don't have the funds to get these things straightened out I strongly suggest you either euthenize these beardies or give them to someone who has the ability to make their lives better. Right now your beardies are dieing a long, horrible death and they don't have a choice in the matter. It's all up to you. Either you cause them to die slowly and painfully or you cause them to be happy and healthy. Whatever you choose to do is your decision but the next time you're cold, hungry and sick you think about those beardies and you'll have an idea of what you made them go through. Help them, you are their only hope right now.

Here's some good links to get you started in the right direction. On these sites there are other links and I suggest you research all of them. Spend a couple of hours reading up and making changes and your beardies will stop suffering.

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Site V
Site VI

I really hope I have made some sort of impact on you and that you will do what is necessary to make things right for your beardies.

I wish you and your beardies the best.

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Rob Talkington

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