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I recently had an unforgetable experience with another breeder.I purchased a Spider male from a kingsnake ad. The animal I received was a different animal from the one posted on the ad (I have the pic from the ad still on file). I was a bit confused as to why I was sent a different animal (one who actually looked better than the one I was supposed to get)I began to look closely at the animal. This Spider appeared to have a defective hemipene. I had another well know breeder as well as two reptile vets look at him and we all agreed that his hemipene was questionable and should be replaced if possible. The seller was notified and I was sent pics of another spider ,these pics were TERRIBLE (I still have them on file) and the "replacement" Spider appeared to have a blunt, stumpy tail,. I asked the breeder for either more pics of higher quality so I could see him better or pics of another animal instead. He became upset and said "he's fine it's just the pics ". Needless to say I will never do business with someone who appears to be trying to sell grade B animals as grade A animals. If you are looking for an investment animal I would be very careful about where you purchase your animal,as you may be taken if you don't do your homework!!!! I have talked with other breeders about this and they also agree that when this much $$ is involved that things sometimes get misrepresented. I'll keep the pic of the Spider that has a questionable hemipene on file just in case it is offered for sale to someone else! The seller is fairly new to this ball python industry , however I will not mention any names here , as that is not my intent here, my intent is to tell others to be very careful who you are dealing with !! I know alot of stand up breeders in this industry and they are working hard to provide us with top quality animals, lets not let these "questionable" breeders ruin it for the rest of us honest people who are trying to make an honest living for ourselves! This all goes back to the old saying "What goes around comes around". Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles.

or don't bother......

we know people suck.

alot of people suck...

and the big boys/girls will rip you off as quick as everyone else......

that's how some of them got to make money.........

......name a name..

or resolve alone...........

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people.........people are stupid.........
really......really.........

Yes, big breeders will cheat you and rip you off just as fast as the little guy. In some cases even more so becuase they know a small buyer will not bust them out on a public forum. And who will believe the small buyer over the breeder with 10 years backing him?

I had a large breeder kinda screw me over when i bought a 100% Het male for Piebald. I asked if the Ball was ready for shipping. The breeder said "yes". When all was said and done, i finally got it 5 months later after tons of reasons why they could not ship. Then to top it off, they sent it Delta Dash and did not even tell me it was sent. I got a call fom my local airport at like 10PM and they asked if i was waiting on a "Live Animal"? I said kinda, they said it came in like 5 hours earlier. So i had to drive 45 minutes to get it and it was cold here(Minnesota).

So i will agree, big breeders get away with a lot. But i am not saying all do. I have bought from mnay who give me what i bought and in a timely manor. So whom ever you buy from, get all the details and photos and make sure you make it understood that you will want your money back if you do not get what you want when they promise it.

Thanks.... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

Not naming the breeder on the forum was the best way to go about it. I suggest if you really are interested in knowing who the breeder is, email anthony directly and ask for that information. Posting the name of the breeder on the forum whether the claim is true or not, would be against TOS. At the beginning of every forum (before looking at any of the posts) is a short paragraph stating clearly to refrain from making attacks on persons or companies. Hence by keeping the company/breeder's name out of the post, Anthony did the right thing. The mods of Kingsnake have no control over what is said privately off forum (ie through emails or on other websites not owned/provided by pethobbyist.com)

Ok, finished lecture, sorry for the length.

I have to agree. I saw the pics of the second Spider and they look worse than pictures taken digitally 10 years go with a crappy camera. The Tail on the Spider was very blunt and stubbed and the pictures looked as they were trying to conceal it and possibly other defects on the snake. With the first Spider being an imperfect animal you had every right to be wary of the bad pictures of the second animal.

It is not my place to say who this person is but at least for now everyone be careful when purchasing a spider. Whether it is being sold by the breeder, or being brokered by another seller.

On the good side I was happy to hear last night that you received your animals back safe and sound specially after the box was not sent insured as it was supposed to have been shipped.

As for jyohe's post. You know if he were to post names on here it would be deleted by the moderators. This way he can get the message out there for everyone without violating the TOS of this site. He can however post all the details on the other site with names and such (if he chooses to) without the fear of it being deleted.
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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
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........a crook ??? after telling your story (verifiable facts only) you could say for example: i will never buy from this crook in n.w. iowa again! this is just an example,i know of NO crooks in iowa.