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Guys, i have managed to take out some time and snap my frogs.....i have currently 16 albino ornatas , all which i secure from japan.....my friend, the breeder told me that no artificial reproduction methods are used but instead the normal cycle of priming and mating....grandparents of these frogs are a pair of normal green and red ornata cross breeding with an albino ornata.....which produced a clutch of about 700-800 eggs of which only about 300 survived.....next , after these babies are all mature, he inter bred them and out came , which he claims and after much checking from books and 2 herp experts from Japan and Singapore.....i believe and i am 99.9% sure what i have are albino ornatas......

from what i have learn the original cranwells does not have any red markings ....they are just plain green or slightly brownish...or the combination of both.....but never red. claimed cranwells that have red markings have probably been cross bred with ornatas...or even fantasy......my pics will follow this thread....

cheers
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The GodFather

Guys this is the pic.....

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The GodFather

one more thing, wat lisa_cristin have posted on 12 jun, is an albino cranwell...im sorry lisa, for having to use you as a comparision.

compare the markings on her frog and mine....and you will see the difference.

cheers
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The GodFather

Here is another pic.....

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The GodFather

but this picture looks like a cranwelli. The head size proportional to the body doesn't look much like the orntata I have kept...
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Andy Maddox
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Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

And the sign says "No long hair freaky people need not apply." So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why. He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do. So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you."-Tesla

No problem. I didn't know what exactly he was before, so thanks. Beautiful frog(s) by the way. If only they weren't such little scarry monsters.
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Albino Pacman Frog
1.0 Lovebird (Tony)
1.0 Elkhound Cross (Otto)
0.1 Malamute Cross (Paris)
6.0 Bettas

haha....scary monsters alrite but cute little guys too for now......

cheers
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The GodFather

I don't know how much experience you have with these guys, I'm guessing quite a bit. Have you ever had a pacman not grow very large? My guy seems healthy, but he is nowhere near the size of most that I have seen. Now don't get me wrong if he stayed the same size I would be more than happy, but not if he is unhealthy.

Lisa
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Albino Pacman Frog
1.0 Lovebird (Tony)
1.0 Elkhound Cross (Otto)
0.1 Malamute Cross (Paris)
6.0 Bettas

hi,
well honestly these guys could grow up to 15cm for females and about 11cm for males.i used to have an ornata( normal colour) which grew to about 17cm...but then again, if like wat u said....your frog is eating well and u got a good size enclosure for him(i saw in you posted pic...its good enough), then i think u should not worry too much. Maybe your frog are one of those lucky ones....you know the genes thingy. haha, but remember those calcium( get those with vit D3,unless you put them under the sun for some period in a day.)...pacmans are super prone to bone deformation. try feeder fishes sometimes...for crickets, i personally prefer to feed them only after i remove their legs. mealworms are pretty useless unless you have been gut loading them....also, try little feeder froglets.

cheeers
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The GodFather

I don't know if I could feed him anything other than bugs. If need be I'm sure I can find someone who would enjoy feeding him larger live prey. I am starting my own mealworm colony so they will be well fed. It would be cool if he would eat them, although I have tried in the past with no luck. I have given him waxworms as treats as well. I do dust the crickets with a calcium/D3 dust every 2-3 feedings. I just meaured him and he is about 2.5" to 3" inches accross, larger than I thought he was. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that he is just tiny (well tiny for a pacman) and not unhealthy. Thanks for the info.

Lisa
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Albino Pacman Frog
1.0 Lovebird (Tony)
1.0 Elkhound Cross (Otto)
0.1 Malamute Cross (Paris)
6.0 Bettas

You should try nightcrawlers (the big earthworms used as fishing bait.) They really help in beefing up a horned frog. They are the staple diet of this girl:

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Wow she's huge, how many inches is she? Anything besides crickets and mealworms are fairly hard to come by in my town (well very small city). I was getting feeders from a supplier but it was just costing me too much, I only have four little insect eaters.
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Albino Pacman Frog
1.0 Lovebird (Tony)
1.0 Elkhound Cross (Otto)
0.1 Malamute Cross (Paris)
6.0 Bettas

I just get nightcrawlers from a loal bait and tackle shop. I am sure that there'd have to be a site on the internet that you could order some from.
Benny is about 5 inches, snout to vent.
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lisa....how old is your pacman?
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The GodFather

I'm not exactly sure, the pet store told me he was 1 year old. I thought this was a lie after seening all of the pictures of other pacmans. After having him for seven months, who knows maybe they were telling the truth.
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Albino Pacman Frog
1.0 Lovebird (Tony)
1.0 Elkhound Cross (Otto)
0.1 Malamute Cross (Paris)
6.0 Bettas

Feeder froglets are a BAD idea. They are often ridden with parasites. If they are frozen/thawed it might be a possibility.
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.....froglets....perhaps its a bad idea...however i have not encountered any problem involving that yet....i hope never.. the froglets i got are from my private breeder friend which breed just enough for his use and some of mine...i never buy from shops....so i think i can assume its safe enough....

thanks anyway.
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The GodFather

That means nothing. Frogs can pick up parasites or other problems from what they eat. My frog was clean when I got it, but upon a fecal test had a 5 load of internal parasites. Just because they are captive bred and kept clean doesn't mean they can't still have other little nasties hiding inside them.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: thekingofproduct
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

And the sign says "No long hair freaky people need not apply." So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why. He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do. So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you."-Tesla

If you feed earthworms you need to be careful when submitting fecals as earthworms are usually chocked full of nematodes which are not parasitic on frogs but will give you a false positive when the float is done.

Ed

But fish, mice, and crickets can also carry different parasites. I had the vet (a former vet for the zoo that works with herps and is a member of the herp society) do a fecal test and he also examined the different parasites under a microscope.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: thekingofproduct
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

And the sign says "No long hair freaky people need not apply." So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why. He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do. So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you."-Tesla

While it is true that other live food items carry parasites it does not seem that it is on the same scale as earthworms.
The different parasites can be very difficult to determine which are parasitic on the frog as opposed to being parasitic on the food item as the eggs and larva are often extremely similar. And animals fed earthworms will have false positive fecal readings. This is so common at work that we have to put on the fecal sheets if the animal recieves earthworms in the diet to prevent unneccessary worming treatments. The easy way to determine this would be to feed for one or more bowl movements frozen thawed prey items.
It can also be very difficult to determine the difference between soil nematode contaminents and parasitic nematodes which is why the fecal should be very fresh and collected (if possible)from a sterile surface. (Parasite identification to the species level usually requires the adult worm).

Ed

from 2-6 inches. I have had males that have barely hit 2.25 to 2.5 inches.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: thekingofproduct
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

And the sign says "No long hair freaky people need not apply." So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why. He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do. So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you."-Tesla

The only reliable method of differentiating between Ornata and Cranwelli (in my opinion) is to look at the slope of the nose. Branwells have a much sharper slope if you look at their profile, while Ornates have a ore rounded look to them.
This is a pic of my albino Cranwell female. You can see the sharp slope to the nose.
I would recommend putting a profile pic of your frog, next to a pic of a regular Cranwell albino.
I have seen Cranwells that had reddish/brown colorations, but they were mainly green and whitish.
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i have tried comparing in this aspect....and so have my friends......for the youngsters it is almost not possible to tell from the slope of the mouth....however markings on the back especially around the head areas and pretty diff from the 2 species.
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The GodFather

What type is my little guy...
Link

are pretty good indicators. I would say cranwelli.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: thekingofproduct
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

And the sign says "No long hair freaky people need not apply." So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why. He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do. So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you."-Tesla

i agree....it looks cranwell to me too....
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The GodFather

Nice pics TheGodfather, thanks for posting them
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CokeOfMan

Not the actual size really, but cranwelli have a larger head proportional to the body. Ornata has a much smaller head in relation to its body.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: thekingofproduct
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

And the sign says "No long hair freaky people need not apply." So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why. He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do. So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you."-Tesla

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