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Here is the Pastave with a Mojave sibling for comparison.

Joe & Wes

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but I still can't stand that name.........LMAO

Congrats again!

I agree, dump the name. Just call it a Pastel Mojave. Nice snake either way!
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Josh
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Nice snakes! I can't wait to see the post shed pics.

jeff

Keep the naming simple so futre morphs can be identified easily by everyone. Pastel Mojave sounds so good!

Dan

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Pastel spider? Not bumblebee Spider?
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RicK @ BbI

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lol.....

Or breed it to a hypo and call it a hotel!!!
Ok. Reaching on that one.............

I don't think everyone knows how an Ivory or a Pewter came about but that didn't stop the originators from calling it such...

Those names came from the ball python's appearance. Plus they were actual words, not made up(i.e. pastave). If you are just gonna combine the two words, then just call it a pastel mojave.
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Josh
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I think theres nothin wrong with it, theres been other morphs put together in other species and its worked out fine (Hybino[hypo albino], etc), so i have nothing agaist it...Great Job, none the less, when i get older i hope to be following in your footsteps, or at least your ideas... ^.^;
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Nic
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"Pastave" is not even a word(as far as i know). I am sure they did run across "Motel" but said, "Darn, it's already taken". Its a simple process, just that they want to have a name they can say is theirs.

So lets say someone comes up with a Piebald X Albino cross, i would guess anyone with their head screwed on straight would call it a Albiono Piebald(but i could be wrong). I am sure they would call it something like "Piebino" or something like that. Heck, maybe a "Albipie" or a Albpied".

Who knows... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

It does not keep the rest of the industry from calling it what it is(Pastel Mojave). If thats the name they chose, good, if everyone else calls it Pastel Mojave, then either their sales will slump and they will change to the norm or they will just have to explain to every person that says what is a "Pastave" and have to go through "We were the 1st to hatch it" and we named it that but the world hates it speach.

Remember, you can call what you have what you want. If i buy a Piebald and a normal and hatch out some baby Piebalds, i can call them "WhiteMix Balls". Do i have that right, sure. But when i go to sell them, i will have to go over the same story over and over, its really a Piebald but since i bredd this, i changed its name. Bottom line, will i loose business, sure. Will i bend and go with what the world knows them as, sure.

Its power of the people, call something by a name long enough and it will come to be known as that. But who am i??? John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

I am not saying that they can’t name the morph that they produced. They can call it anything they want. I don’t think that combining the two mutations to create a new word is the best marketing strategy. Sometimes simple is best. When people become too creative others get confused. Most animals are named to be descriptive, so if you are only trying to reach the hardcore ball python breeders then “Pastave” might mean something to them but it says absolutely nothing to someone new looking at a hand full of mutations. Both the Ivory & Pewter Pastel are descriptive of the color of those mutations. When we produced the first Pewter Pastels we did not know what to call them because we crossed a Cinnamon Pastel with a Pastel Jungle & “Cinnamon Pastel Pastel Jungle” was a little redundant. So we chose a name that described the color of the mutation. MKR has done a great job & I’m sure they will continue to create some mutations that we have never seen before in the future. Again naming it is up to them! Again Great Job GUYS!

Yeap..Pastave can use some work.
Everyone knows designer mutations are a new thing in the ball python world. I think breeders everywhere want to make the next new mutation. Who wouldn’t?? Naming this new mutation goes along with the task of producing the first one. If I were in MK’s shoes, I would RESPECT the opinions of SK and Graziani because if it weren’t for them, there wouldn’t be a “Pastave.” Unless everyone forgot, it was SK and Graziani who produced first mojave and pastel.
Rob Dempsey

Yes there would be mojaves & pastels, but it would have been different breeders that proved them out. I respect all breeders large and small, and if somebody creates a new morph and has a name for it, good for them. They can call it what they want, they created it. I don't see it causing any confusion, as anybody willing to spend thousands of dollars on a single morph is sure to know what it is, and where it came from. MK did an excellent job and should be congratulated for there efforts, not nagged because of the name they call their new creation.

Do not get upset, these are just my thoughts on the whole thing.

Chad

You respect all breeders big and small, do ya Chadznit?
Good thing there was no pun intended.....since there wasn't one at all.

respectfully yours,
DR. EVIL

Sorry to hear your still upset. I think you are referring to a post that started a couple of days ago, and if you can tell me a bad thing I said about anbody before I was attacked, then go for it EVILIVE.

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Chad

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If they want to call their line "Pastave" then let them. When the next person calls it something else, hopefully Pastel Mojave, then everyone can stick with it and the other name will die out.

Think of all the products in history that had a name that was later changed cause the public did not buy or like it. Campell's Soup 1st used "Chicken Soup with Noodles" and after three years of low sales and everyone calling it "Chicken Noodle Soup" the name was changed. Its Power of the People, plain and simple.

I think they are trying to give it a name that they can say is their own. If they use Pastel Mojave(which that is what it is), then they are not being original and not get to see their name in lights. Also, when Mojave's are crossed with others are we going to be using new names too? That would suck, make it harder for the new guy to understand and even the pros.

I think they need to fire their marketing guy and ask a crowd of people to vote with a show of hands. I think the common person will go with what's easy.

Just my thoughts... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

It adds a little bit of comic relief to the frickin tightness of the snake politics.....damn I hate politics....quit trying to be so politically correct and let people do what they want....they have it and you don't...they can call it whatever the hell they want to....they'll just have to deal with people being jealous that they didn't produce it in the first place so that they could name it..... Have a nice day

And i can call it what ever the hell i want. So from this moment forward, i officially call it a "Pastel Mojave". And i have that right, as do you and everyone else.

But time will tell, simple is better, People will decide... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

May the force be with you luke........
Motel it is!
LOL

They are entitled to call it what they want....but in my opinion(just my opinion)...."Pastave" is cheesy.

Either way......great job MKR!
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Jim Perron
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