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Based on the precedent of "Bumblebee" "killerBee" and "Pewter" for existing pastel designer snakes, the name Pastave is a fine name. Precedent has been set, it is being followed. Naming can not be selective. Now the fact is nothing is descriptive about any of these names-none give you a clue as to how the snakes look. Only albino; axanthic; piebald; leucistic; and genetic stripe are names that are descriptive as to the phenotype. I personally like precedent. The name "Pewter" ball totally broke precedent using an already known cross in cornsnakes and boa constrictors with known recessive genotypes of "blood red" and "anerythristic." This name was applied in a ball python to a combination of two codominant genotypes that have nothing to do with "bloodred" at the minimum, I can't say about the anery part, because I'm not sure what a "Cinnamon" pastel is exactly in terms of its genotype. Mojave? Clown (and we named that one!) what do those names mean? Nothing!! The snakes were just named by the people who were the first to reproduce them. Based on precedent at this point my advice is for Morph King to keep their simple and I might add elegant name of the designer snake that combines the pastel with the Mojave.

Thanks Tracy......I agree. A great name.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

I agree they should be able to name it, since they created it first. But, at least all the other bp morphs are names are actual words. They made up a word, and a cheesy one at that. I don't think there would be such an uproar if the name was a little more creative...
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Josh
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Point taken, but it is hard to argue if you have what a "Mojave" and a "Pastel" is in your mind-the name Pastave conjures up the picture of what you probably thought it would look like quickly. So in that respect it is the most parsimonious name they could have thought of out there! For the record as you all know if I did not agree with their naming practice I would have written it!

Have you been reading Reader's Digest "Word Power"? j/k

Frugal to the point of stinginess
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Rob Talkington

Thought i was at a Seminar. John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

par·si·mo·ni·ous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pärs-mn-s)
adj.
Excessively sparing or frugal.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

I checked it out too...I was confused.

>>par·si·mo·ni·ous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pärs-mn-s)
>>adj.
>>Excessively sparing or frugal.
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>>RicK @ BbI
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>> Ball Boutique,Inc.
>>The home of the singing snakes!
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Edited on June 14, 2004 at 22:37:52 by phwyvern.

Hey do you understand the what it means....lol
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

>>I checked it out too...I was confused.
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>>>>par·si·mo·ni·ous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pärs-mn-s)
>>>>adj.
>>>>Excessively sparing or frugal.
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>>>>RicK @ BbI
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>>>> Ball Boutique,Inc.
>>>>The home of the singing snakes!
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Josh
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Spelling quiz on Friday?????????

No next Monday!
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

Drove me nuts!
I saw this:
"if you have what a "Mojave" and a "Pastel" is in your mind-the name Pastave conjures up the picture of what you probably thought it would look like quickly"

and I remembered from grade school that a pastel desert has a name.............

Had to call my husband at work~ he thinks I'm nuts ~

So after I went to all the trouble to recall the word~ its:

Chapparral: an ecological community composed of shrubby plants adapted to dry summers and moist winters that occurs especially in southern California

I agree~ they can name their pastel majave Ball Python anything they want (I didn't even know their was a debate about the name) ~ but The Majove Desert is a Chapparral~ a Pastel Desert.
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Cheryl Marchek
AKA JM
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Nice research...very creative.

It really is their choice to name it whatever they like~
But it was driving me nuts!
I grew up in Central California, so learning about the deserts was part of our curriculum~ and I KNEW thier was a name for a Pastel Desert.

I'm just glad I figured it out now~ I'm one of those people who can't sleep until I remember whatever it is I can't remember!

LOL!
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Cheryl Marchek
AKA JM
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It really is their choice to name it whatever they like

But Pastave is ...............and I was just implying that your research was creative and well thought out.

Thanks Tracy

Joe & Wes
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Most items that were 1st named by people who invented or created them have had a name change. If you look at the US patent Office, its like 35% of all names given when the patent was asked for have changed. So there is no precedence that binds a name. And it sure does not seem to be followed.

Only reason why the big breeders are saying its fine is because they know when they come up with a new morph, they want the backing of all the other big breeders. Thats the truth of the matter. Don't rain on my party now and i will not rain on yours when you have one.

Come on, from what i see, about 80% of everyone commenting is saying the name sucks. That is of coarse when you do not include the big breeders.

If they would have named it Butthole Ball you would have agreed with it. Just so when you create a new morph and its a stupid name, they will play along too. Its politics, you know it and 99% of everyone here does.

Now, if i (and not saying i am going to), created a new morph, i would have done a little more research in it. I would have maybe put out 3 or 4 names and see what the world would be happy with. Remember, the world is the one who pays their bills. Then more than likely pick the name that most people chose, a happy public is a buying public. But then that would have been too easy, if anything (and i am not saying they are) but they were in a hurry to get it out there. LOOK what we did kind of thing. Could have kept it a few days and really thought it through before showing the public. But that would have been to easy.

But reguardless what they call it, in the long run it will more than likely be named what more people call it. If everytime its talked about and their name is said, it will catch on and thats it. If more people keep calling it a Pastel Mojave, then that will finally be its name. Unless they keep it and the public calls their line that and all the rest Pastel Mojave. Its been done before.

If the name was one people were happy with, this would not be going on. When who ever said Piebald, did everyone argue, i am guessing no. And so on and so fourth...

Just my 02 cents. And no i am not jealous, i think its great that they did what they did. It helps the hobby/business. Its another Ball to shoot for. It inspires to be more creative and try harder to do something different. So i am happy with the product, not the name of it... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

I would think 89% do not care!
Perhaps we sould call it what it is a ball python.lol
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

I will call it a pastave after having to read all those words. I am going to go nap after all this excitement.
keep on snakin'
chops
zzzzzzz.........

I can't wait until Tracy thanks you for telling what she is thinking and why she is thinking it. That's mighty kind of you.

Jeff, if you read what i said, i do not think i ever say what "she" is saying. I speak in general terms and say that big breeders go along with this name so everyone will go alone with the next name.

This if most of the big breeders go against the name and maybe down the road the name is changed. Well, when one of the breeders that went against the name creates a new moroh, they will more than likely go against it as well, weather they like it or not. Just makes sense.

Coke and Pepse, don't you think they talk? Don't you think they work together to work against each other? Its all about you don't blast me too much and i won't blast you too much.

She can and will have her opinion on what i said and thats fine. Thats freedom of speach. I have the right to comment on what she says as much as she has the right to comment on what i said. Is she any better than me, i would think not.

But the way you said it, seems like she comes down from the castle and proclaims her thought and people listen. If she has something constructive to say about what i said, great, i will read it and maybe learn something, if she says things that have nothing to do with what i care about, i will ignore it and move on. I am sure a bunch of people right now are ignoring what i say. And thats fine, its their choice.

I am not here to make enemies, i am here to leanr but also not to shut up and be a good little boy. Weather i had a Ball for a day or a year or 10 years, i can learn and i can teach. What i say might not always work for everyone, but it might for some. And if one person gets something good out of it, then i taught someone something. And if 99 people get nothing out of it, whats the harm?

I do thank you for your opinion though Jeff. Just wish it could have tought me something(like most times you answer what i say). But thanks anyways for taking time to read all my hard work... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

You said that the reason that big breeders say something is exactly because of this reason. I said, in so many words, don't speak for others. Its not fair to tell other people what other people do and why they do it, when YOU are not those people. I'm glad that's your opinion, but that's all it is. You're telling the BP world that Tracy only backed the name to get other breeder's backing. Shouldn't you let her speak for herself. Shouldn't you NOT tell other people why other people do things and worry about your own stuff?

Just my opinion. I don't care enough or know enough to tell the BP forum peeps why people say or do stuff. I just worry about my own shiznit. Works better for me.

But like i said, i am giving my opinion on what i think is going on. Like so many others do everyday. I just say it and not just think it.

And like i said, i "THINK"my opinion) that the big breeders back each other for reasons i stated. If you think she is a big breeder, then you can apply my opinion. Plain and simple.

Bottom line, i told everyone willing to read what i said what i think of the new Ball, I love the Ball and the hard work done by that breeder. I told everyone what name i like, i told everyone what i thought was the reason why big breeders like it.

And if what i say does not matter, why then everyone that feels that way just stop reading it and commenting? The fire would die and i would go away... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

Pepsi is with an I not an E.
The only one making this political is YOU.
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J & H Reptiles
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I learned something here, not a bad place after all. You are right, i guess you know i do not drink Pepse... John
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1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

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>>0.1 Red blood python (Rhianon)
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Josh
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At least spell it so people can pronounce it as it should be "Pastjave" Remember the "J" sounds like a "H"

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interesting point.. Pastave would sound real close to some italian restaurant or something wouldn't it? There's a restaurant close to my place called "Pastalli", and Pastave just seems too close to that name heh!

No matter what it is called, great combo and great addition to the Ball Python world! Congradulations.

Bristen.

Not only does the name sound retarded........but now it looks it too............LOL

But that was to damn funny.

I agree that they created the new morph and whether WE like it or not...it's thier decision.

GET OVER IT.

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Edited on June 14, 2004 at 22:36:16 by phwyvern.

Already seems like a name change might be in progress. Got a point there...

So is it "Pastave" or now "Pastjave". Hmmm... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls