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temporary housing revisited!

fonzerella Jun 19, 2003 12:56 PM

Hello!

About two months ago I posted a question about housing my indigos temporarily in my new house, while their permanent cages are in transit.

I've looked for some of these walmart/target bins that dan (and others mentioned), but i'm not sure exactly what i'm looking for!

the larger bins i've been finding are dark colored, so basically anything i have in there will be completely in the dark, for up to 2 weeks!

i was wondering a few things about this. first, does anyone here have knowledge of large transparent bins?

if there arent any such bins that are easily obtainable, how do i go about making the indigos (a pair of 6-7 footers) comfortable in non transparent bins?

what's the minimum sized bin i should use as well?

thank you!

Replies (9)

dan felice Jun 19, 2003 02:35 PM

fonz, update: home depot has these 39'' x 18'' x 6'' jobbies now. they have wheels [?] that are clear and stackable. the lids are pretty good too but will need re-enforcing. $15. i'm thinking of switching all my bullsnakes over to these permanently except for the largest ones.....these could be what you want for a temp solution. they are roomier than they sound and would be good for sub-adult dryjoys.

TexIndigo Gal Jun 19, 2003 05:10 PM

I found Sterlite brand underbed storage boxes on clearance at Target recently. They measure 39 5/8 x 22 1/4 x 6 3/8. All dimensions in inches. This is the 70 qt size.

They were marked down to $5 each. I wish I had bought a lot more than four of them.

The lids are hinged in the center, which I figured would not be a strong enough connection for a snake requiring that much space. I drilled holes on both sides of the lid in between each of the four plastic hinges and used metal jump rings (1" or 1.5" that I robbed off of old keychains) and threaded them through the holes in order to securely keep the halves of the lid together. That was a royal pain, but it is working quite well.

BTW, the 10 qt. sterlite dishpan (about $1.50 at Wally World) is short enough to use as a hide box in these underbed storage boxes. AND it's washable. For smaller snakes, I like to use the hard plastic tissue box covers for hides. I pick them up at thrift stores.

Anyone in the forum buying stock in Sterlite?

B

oldherper Jun 19, 2003 07:30 PM

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dan felice Jun 20, 2003 06:11 AM

first she beats me in the super bowl and now she's out sterliting me 3 to 1. oh the humanity......now i gotta go find a target. ;-/

TexIndigo Gal Jun 20, 2003 06:13 PM

If it is any comfort whatsoever, I'm not a sports-fan. My ex took care of that.

chrish Jun 20, 2003 10:08 AM

I recently bought a bunch of Sterlite's Wreath Boxes at Dollar General. They are normally a seasonal item at most stores and are hard to find after January. But Dollar General seems to have bought them all up.

They are 26 x 26 x 8 inches so about the same area as the underbed boxes but because they are square, it seems like there would be more usable area for a large active snake.

The lids aren't particularly secure, but no plastic tub has a lid secure enough for a determined indigo.
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Chris Harrison

chrish Jun 20, 2003 10:09 AM

>>I recently bought a bunch of Sterlite's Wreath Boxes at Dollar General. They are normally a seasonal item at most stores and are hard to find after January. But Dollar General seems to have bought them all up.
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>>They are 26 x 26 x 8 inches so about the same area as the underbed boxes but because they are square, it seems like there would be more usable area for a large active snake.
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>>The lids aren't particularly secure, but no plastic tub has a lid secure enough for a determined indigo.
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>>Chris Harrison
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Chris Harrison

TexIndigo Gal Jun 20, 2003 05:23 PM

Securing the lids is a pain.

I did this big song and dance drilling the lid and box lip with a fine drill bit, lots of holes through the lid that missed that narrow lip entirely. I secured one side of the lid with twisty-ties, and the other half I wanted easier to open and close. I was on a time crunch waiting for the deliveryman to knock on my door with snakes, so I had to improvise (more than usual).

You know those great big laundry pins that look like big, blunt diaper pins for giants? That's what I used. They're too long, of course, so I took wine bottle corks and drilled them lengthwise and slipped the cork over the pin, which keeps the lid from opening. The only problem is that the pin tops stick up over the rim of the lid an inch or so, so you can only use them on the top box from a stack. Of course, the underneath boxes don't need so many twisty ties, due to the weight above them.

I'm experimenting with terminal tackle (fishing) to devise something more satisfactory. I'm playing with a small, double-eyed swivel on a short, wire leader with a little clip on the end that also closes like a safety pin. Sorry, I love to fish, but I don't know all of the right terms for the equipment (I'm learning). This should provide a relatively inexpensive way to secure the lids that is more durable and stronger than twisty-ties, not to mention faster to open and close.

The big underbed boxes allow enough length to establish a heat gradient; how would you do that in a square box? Our climate here in south Florida isn't so far off from that of any of the Indigo's taxonomic cousins, so maybe it might not be such an issue.

I'm not really happy with these containers for long-term housing. The biggest aren't big enough for a big adult. That said, I only want cages that can either be hosed out or submerged for disinfecting. Once you get past the size of a long 30 gal. aquarium, they are just too large and heavy to heave outside and clean out under the hose every week, or twice a week, or every day as a Dry might need.

I dream about a modular cage design that can be easily disassembled. Once again, I find that I lack the terminology to express what I envision. I am going to enlist the help of my brother, who is a machinist, to talk about the feasibility of what I want to do. I see a system of joint pieces that are tracks set at 90-degree angles to each other. Panels of glass, or Lucite or some opaque material could be used in any side or top or bottom. Any of the side panels could be pulled out independently for cleaning, and the whole thing could be pulled apart and shipped flat. Or, you could just buy a track kit and have panels of glass or Lucite, or 22-kt. gold cut to your specifications and plug them in.

I know this is sketchy; I don't understand how to make the track securing the bottom and side panels join with the vertical tracks for the side panels and the top. I'm not particularly mechanically inclined.

I remember reading last year about someone who was using PVC pipe to join separate Sterlite containers. Does anyone remember that? I'd like to hear more about how it worked out. I think that a better heat gradient could be achieved, and traveling between containers would give the animal some stimulation. They give us so much added quality of life just in joy of seeing them; we should provide for them what we can.

dan felice Jun 21, 2003 06:27 AM

i've tried all that stuff too but settled on weighing down the top box w/ a heavy book or two. racks would be a big help, maybe someday. i keep changing everything around and buying bigger boxes so to break out a saw and drill would be premature at this point. my drys are kept in a triple tier 8' box that i built but it is a hassle to clean. i'm thinking of re-doing it better and lining the bottoms w/ 1/8'' rubber that you can buy on a roll. that's the idea de jour anyway....we'll see. i did once connect several tanks using sections of downspout and the results were favorable. they were flying around in there like there was no tomorrow. they even had access to an arboreal tank and they went right up the tree too w/ much more ease than you would expect from such large bodied snakes. it didn't last though as i eventually needed that space back. hooking up large tubs together though will work....let's see, oh! did i see the word 'diaper' in your post? LOL! i didn't know what you were talking about there but it was cute nevertheless. librarians, they use just about every word in the book! ;-] good luck w/ the fishing this summer!

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