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Comment on head photo of beniensis by ET Chipotle....

Kelly_Haller Jun 16, 2004 06:37 PM

That great head photo by ET Chipotle I believe cinches the snake as beniensis. Compare his photo to the photo below, which I took of one of my female murinus. E. murinus has a row of suborbital scales between the suboculars and the supralabials. These are not present in beniensis. More simply stated, murinus shows a row of scales between the scales below the eye and the scales above the mouth line that are not present in beniensis. The difference can be clearly seen in the two photos. This along with the location of the find, would definitely indicate beniensis. Thanks again to ET Chipotle for posting photos of a rarely seen anaconda.

Kelly

Replies (5)

MR_ANACONDA28 Jun 16, 2004 09:19 PM

that is the hottest female I have ever seen, That wouldnt happen to be mamma would it??
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GOD,I LOVE ANACONDAS!!!!! Eric aka Mr.A

Kelly_Haller Jun 17, 2004 10:57 AM

Eric,
That one is a female I held back from the December 2001 litter. She is between 9.5 and 10 feet. She was a little nervous the first 6 months after birth, but is now very tame and easy to handle. She has the same father as the litter produced last November. I will probably attempt a breeding with her in a couple of years. Although not a problem to handle, she has a killer feeding response on rabbits. Thanks for the comment,

Kelly

eunectes4 Jun 17, 2004 05:08 AM

I would have never seen that in comparison if you did not post that head picture. the location and lacking yellow insude the side spots was what made me think it could be beniensis but I had never seen a picture and I was doubtfull someone posting a picture and asking for identification would actually be someone to come across one. I am super thankfull they did and I am super thankfull of your posts kelly with the headshot for comparison. After lots of fun posts and small talk back and forth for a while it is nice to get a good break back into the scientific and beneficial parts of this forum. kelly, what did you say the differences between E.m. murinus and E. m. gigas were besides murinus tneded to be a little bigger, coloring in the head markings, and the locality?

Kelly_Haller Jun 17, 2004 12:48 PM

With Dirksen's re-work of the genus Eunectes in 2002, they are no longer considered valid subspecies of murinus. Even when they were, there were only extremely slight morphological differences believed to exist between murinus and gigas. According to study data in the literature, the ventral counts, dorsal scale rows, subcaudals, supralabials, and infralabials counts of each never showed enough variation to be significant. It was reported however, that murinus appeared to reach a slightly larger adult size than gigas, and that gigas, or the northern form, did tend to show yellow or orange, in the postocular stripe to a much greater degree than is seen in murinus, the amazon basin form, which tended to have a postocular stripe that closely matches the green ground color of the animal. This I believe was a very generalized statement of an overall trend. This postocular color theory appears to hold true in many cases, but not always. It is currently believed that there is not enough consistent morphological variation, with any measurable characters, that would warrant subspecies classification. The postocular stripe color and adult size differences could easily be, and most likely are, just geographical variations of murinus, due in large part to habitat differences, and do not justify subspecies classification. There are currently four species recognized within the genus Eunectes and there are not any generally accepted subspecies in the genus. There are very few people actively studying the Eunectes group. Interesting stuff,

Kelly

eunectes4 Jun 17, 2004 08:55 PM

thank you..that was intersting stuff and i remember that now. I think I read it in one of your other posts. So there were no differences besides what I said and it makes sense that those would not classify subspecies since many snakes show locality variation. If the food sources are bigger here...the snakes will be bigger. thank you for clearing that up..it was a topic I never fully understood about what the accepted science is or what the whole differences claimed really were.

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