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mike d Jun 16, 2004 07:00 PM

Well i was browsing in the local pet shop on friday and i came across these two hedgehogs! so i got on teh phone and called up my parents and they gave me the ok to get them! they are great they are still very shy and curl up at teh littlest noise. but with time they will calm down. and for teh small aount of time i have had them they have improved they will come out when i am in the room..

i hope to breed them because i want more!!!lol and they are very easy to care for and my little brother wants one so i am going to try and breed them so ic an haev a few more!

ill post up pics ASAP just need to wait until they stay unrolled long enough..
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jiffypop Jun 16, 2004 09:01 PM

Before breeding check the laws in your state. Most states, if not the federal gov., require you to have a license to breed hedgies. We are seeing hedgies come into rescue more and more frequently so think twice before you breed them, please.
Also, they are not really THAT easy to care for correctly. They can be sensitive to temperature fluctuations and do best on a varied diet.

mike d Jun 17, 2004 07:20 AM

the room they are in does not vary in temp very much at all... and i have them on a varied diet. and i am also checking in one getting the license....
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atomic Jun 17, 2004 12:10 PM

Congrats! You are so lucky I just love hedgehogs but have never owned one. Post pics soon!

mike d Jun 17, 2004 07:36 PM

ill post pcis.. they are still settling in.. and i dont see them much but when they are out they are very funny and cute
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Sam-N-Ella Jun 17, 2004 09:11 PM

Congrats on your new additions. I like hedgehogs, they are cool. We might be sitting 3 hedgehogs for a week at the end of June for someone. My wife wants one. Are they as fast as Sonic in the game? Can't wait to see pictures. Oh I'll be getting Boris this Saturday. I'll post pics. soon after.

mike d Jun 18, 2004 07:04 AM

No there not as fast as sonic... but they are a joy to have... your wife should gte one they are great!!!

glad to see you are getting boris!! he will be happy to live with you! cant wait to see the pics!

Mike D
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Sam-N-Ella Jun 18, 2004 09:22 AM

I hope we get to watch the 3 hedgehogs for a week. I know if we do then my wife will definately get one or 2. Do they stay in the same cage? And do they like each others company? The person with the 3 has them in separate cages, I was just wondering if they were like iggys in that way.

mike d Jun 18, 2004 07:23 PM

they are like iguanas some like teh company and some dont.. but two males is a no no.. and sometimes two females will tolerate each other. but a male and female is not good either because they will breed..
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sarahadele Jun 24, 2004 11:53 AM

>>>i hope to breed them because i want more!!!lol and they are very easy to care for and my little brother wants one so i am going to try and breed them so ic an haev a few more!

I havnt read the other replies, so I apologize for any repeats..
I also apologize to the moderators for the OT post

Mike, ive had hedgehogs for 4 years and am JUST starting to get into breeding. Those hedgehogs are from a petstore, there is a VERY good chance that they shouldnt be bred. Very rarely do you find a petstore hedgie that fits conformation/show standards, temperment, and also color. Then you still run the risk of unknowingly breeding animals that carry WHS or other genetic problems. Those two hedgehogs-do you even know if theyre male and female? If theyre at the same store, same age, same 'batch'...theres a very good chance theyre related, such as brother and sister. Do NOT breed a brother and sister hedgehog.

You also need a USDA license (assuming youre in the United States) to sell or give away hedgehogs. Depending on your state, you may need additional licensing, such as Floridas Fish/Game license. And yes these licenses can be and are enforced IME.

You can loose the mom. You most likely will loose babies. Do you know how old the hedgehogs are? Are you bettering the breed by breeding them? How is that different from breeding two dogs with unknown backrounds? Thats usually called puppy mill or back yard breeding.

PLEASE own hedgehogs for a while before deciding to breed-and when you do, get hedgehogs of good stock, not ones you found in a petstore.

I really hope you listen to me..easy to care for, prehaps compared to other animals, yes. Does that mean theyre inexpensive,etc? I spent nearly $500 total on one of my little girls last year.
Please read some of these sites..

www.hedgehogcentral.com
www.daisymeadows.com
www.hedgehogvalley.com
www.freewebs.com/sarahadele
www.pogstarhedgehogs.com
www.chins-n-quills.com
www.hedgieflash.org
www.hamorhollow.com
Sarah

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kangroo Jun 24, 2004 12:49 PM

I’m a hedgehog breeder that is using a friend's account and just have to reply to this post. I’ll make it as short as I possibly can. You should e-mail me for more information (rosewoodhedgehogs@yahoo.com)!!!

I have owned hedgehogs for around...5 1/2 years give or take a little while. With that time owning a hedgehog, I have spent much more time learning all different things about hedgehogs than breeding. Just recently (having my first litter last year) I started to breed hedgehogs. It is MUCH more work that you are thinking….

First off, you NEED a USDA license that alone cost about $70, then before you even get the USDA license, you need to have a vet come in and do a home visit, that costs anywhere from $35-$200 that totally depends on your vet, and they have to be comfortable with coming in a signing a paper for you to get a USDA license (PVC Form), some vets don’t like to do that. I have a friend who’s a vet, she didn’t feel comfortable doing it so we had to get another vet to come in and do it. Then the inspector needs to come in and she would go over everything with you and ask you all sorts of questions about hedgehogs, and their needs, about where you got them and what their backgrounds are. Also you cannot get a license, you are not 18. You would need your parents to get the license, and they would be in charge of everything. They would also be the ones “in trouble” if something goes wrong. Like when you sell the babies, if they die from a generic problem your parents would need to deal with that with your customers. They might have to replace the hedgehog and if you don’t have another hedgehog, or they would probably have to pay for the hedgehog that died/give them their money back.

Do you have money saved up in the bank? If not and you are still planning on breeding I would STRONGLY advise you saving money up right now. You need to have money saved in the bank incase of emergency’s. Some mom’s when pregnant will need an emergency c-section to take the babies out. That would be around $500-$1000 (I think), and you would probably lose the babies. Most c-section litters died after the surgery. Can you bear the idea that you may lose the babies? It is very common for first time moms to abandon or cannibalize their litters. The overall survival rate for hedgehog babies is about 70%.

You need to read this page http://www.hedgehogvalley.com/hats.html and make sure you understand whats on the page and understand that’s what you would need to do if you are going to breed.

Breeding Pet Store hedgehogs is not a good idea at all. You have their backgrounds to worry about, health issues, their temperment (which doesn't sound good from what you were saying), guaranteeing you customers that they are in good health, and if something goes wrong and they die from something that was wrong before they took them in, you would have to pay for their replacment. You also dont know if they are brother and sisters, and one number one rule is to NEVER breed brother and sisters. Another number one rule is NEVER breed a WHS hedgehog. You dont even know if your hedgehogs will have that, until they start to show the symptoms. Do you know what WHS symptoms are? Have you ever heard of WHS, do you know what it means?

I have much more to say, but Im nervous that this post is getting a little too long. If you want to e-mail me and get some more information about breeding I am more than happy talking to you. You just have to be willing to listen to what I have to share with you. If you are going to breed you should do much more research, and then contact a breeder to mentor you, then once you descide to really breed, get breeding quality hedgehogs, NOT Pet Store hedgehogs. My e-mail is rosewoodhedgehogs@yahoo.com

mike d Jun 24, 2004 02:15 PM

i did seperate them so they were only together for a few days and i hope that nothing had happened... the guy at teh petshop said they are not related... and i ahve read all of the pages on breeding them.. and i am 18 and yes i have money in the bank... well they are seperated now and i hope thta nuthing had happened..

and as i looked closer i am not even sure that they were a male and female. i thought they were in teh begining but when i was chaging there cages i had them in an empty tank and when i looked under it they both looked the same from the underside... they both had the bellbutton that is a male trait. on has it a little further up than the other but i am thinking now that they may both be male.. i ahve not been able to find a good picture of a male and females underside... do you have one? or could you possibly get one for me? if you can it will eb greatly apreciated..

Mike D
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sarahadele Jun 24, 2004 02:21 PM

heres a picture

http://www.hedgies.com/images/howto_male_female_sm.jpg

the female has two openings right next to the tail, the males 'belly button' is in the center of his stomach.

Just because a petstore has papers on them doesnt mean theyre good stock. most all of petstore hedgies come from disreputable mills, but a very small portion are supplied by local breeders culls. at 18 months old (?) the female really shouldnt be bred for the first time. feel free to join us over at hedgehogcentral.com/forum

also, hedgehogregistry.com (.org?) for your new kids

sarah

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mike d Jun 24, 2004 02:32 PM

well all of that comocion wa for nuthing it apears that i have two male hedgehogs...oops i feel like and idiot.. because both of them have a bellybutton
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sarahadele Jun 24, 2004 02:41 PM

hehe, Im glad to hear it. just make sure to keep them seperate. the reason my 3 are seperate is because ive got 2 males and 1 female. congrats on the new pets and feel free to join the hedgehog forum to talk about them
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mike d Jun 24, 2004 03:36 PM

yeah they are seperate..

here is a pic of one of them..

the other one hasnt been out alot and i think that was becasue he was scared of the other male... but he is way more active now..

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dzmeadows Jun 24, 2004 02:17 PM

As a 9 year hedgehog owner, and an almost 5 year breeder, this idea strikes me as wrong on several levels.
First up, I don't really like the idea of getting hedgehogs from a pet store on a whim, when you haven't done any research about them. They are NOT a completely easy animal to care for, and many pet stores give out horrid care information with them. Hedgehogs have some special dietary needs, that are not met by a high percentage of the "hedgehog" foods.
Secondly, since you have apparently not had these hedgehogs for very long, I don't feel that you have had the experience to get to know them as pets well enough to be able to deal with them as breeders. Breeding animals, especially the females, need some extra attention and care in order to know whether everything is going properly or not, but during the late stages of pregnancy and early stages of having the babies, this must be done often on second-long encounters, to avoid stressing the mother and causing the death of all of the babies.
Third, these animals that you have should NOT be bred. There are too many genetic risks that you are taking by wanting to breed two animals that are not only of unknown history, but are also very likely siblings. This doubles your chances of ending up with a genetically flawed litter, including your chances of producing WHS hedgehogs, which is a debilitating disease that eventually leads to complete paralysis, and the animal either dies from neglect, inability to swallow food or liquid, or is put down. There is no cure, no real treatment, and no way of knowing whether they have the disease until it is too late. It is even possible that the two hedgehogs you have now may have WHS. WHS usually doesn't show up until they are about a year and a half old, sometimes older. If your two hedgehogs are siblings, and one of them (or both) ends up wtih WHS, by breeding them together you have almost guaranteed that some of the offspring will end up with WHS. WHS is by far the most well known genetic flaw, but there are also others that you could be putting your hedgehogs at risk from.
Fourth, I assume that you probably don't know exactly how old your hedgehogs are, because many pet stores either don't know the ages, don't tell the ages, or lie about the ages of the animals they sell. Therefore, it makes it dangerous for your female to be considering breeding her. If she is under 6 months old, she shoudln't be bred because she is too young. If she is over 1 1/2, she shouldn't be bred because there is the risk of her pelvis having fused, making her completely unable to deliver babies when the time comes.
IF you decide that you want to breed hedgehogs, you need to do a LOT of research, and become familiar with owning pet hedgehogs for quite a while before you ever start breeding, and then make sure that your hedgehogs come from verified bloodlines taht are known to be healthy. This can only be done by getting them through a respected responsible breeder who tracks lineage and health very carefully. I have quite a few articles that I have written on hedgehog care and breeding, that can be found at www.daisymeadows.com Please read them, and do other research on other web sites such as www.hedgehogcentral.com before you make a mistake that can't be corrected.
Becca

mike d Jun 24, 2004 02:19 PM

read my post above.. and i did do research before i bought them.. i didnt do it at an impulse..
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kangroo Jun 24, 2004 02:42 PM

>>Well i was browsing in the local pet shop on friday and i came across these two hedgehogs! so i got on teh phone and called up my parents and they gave me the ok to get them!

mike d Jun 24, 2004 03:33 PM

i called them to make sure i could get them because they told me no more animals because i always come home with something.. but i had been doing research on them for a few months.. trust me i dont buy animals on an impulse...

you dont have to belive me but i did my research and i made a mistake with putting them together. but it turns out that they are both males.. so its not a big deal anymore
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sarahadele Jun 24, 2004 03:57 PM

Since you did your research I guess you already knew there are two great breeders in Mass.- www.hamorhollow.com and www.freewebs.com/lori22589

id reccomend buying from them in the future buying from a petstore just fuels mills, backyard breeders, etc.

Plus there is a "Boston Pog Party" on Saturday the 26th (this week!) id suggest you try to make it-I was at the first BPP and its pretty cool. info on hedgehogwelfare.org (i believe thats the site) anyway pethobbyist has a hedgehog forum..I apologize to the other ig people for going off topic.

sarah

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