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my girl is 14.5 in.7-8months is she only pet quality or will I be able to breed her in the future.I have heard that average female adult size is 16in.I would like some URLs on breeding thanks

I wouldn't breed her at all, for one, if she is only 6-8 months old, she's too young. She should be at least 15 months old and 350g in weight. Personally, due to the steadily decreasing size of bearded dragons in captivity, I wouldn't breed them unless they are at least 18" long female with a male the same size or a bit bigger. In my opinion nobody who doesn't plan to make a living out of breeding dragons for high quality morphs, health and size, shouldn't breed. Just too many people decide to get two bearded dragons and toss them together, just so they have cute little babies 4 months down the road.

Breeding anything has it's rewards, but it's work and expense. THough I haven't bred reptiles, I have bred plenty of mice, rats and guinea pigs and these are easy to breed animals. It's a pain wit mice cause they like to eat their y oung if stressed, pain to clean and chase escapees all over the house. The males stink (in the case of the mice). The rats I had kept eating or neglecting their young as I would always find dead ones everytime I clean, typically buried underneath the other babies. Then again, could have been due to the fact my rats were morons when it came to motherhood. Though I bred mice and mice for snake food, it was still a pain.

The guinea pigs took awhile to find homes for and ate alot and subsequently, pooed alot, so it meant cleaning every other day. Buying fresh greens often too and other things.

With bearded dragons, you need crickets, silkworms, roaches or other appropriate insect foods of the correct size, and lots of them. Crickets are the cheapest to mail order and you need 1000's per week, lots of cages, lights, etc to ensure everybody is taken cared of..not to mention a decent incubator and proper incubation medium to hatch the eggs. Plus, appropriate supplimentation for the mother and the hatchlings. Then you have to find homes for all the baby bearded dragons and don't count on selling/giving them away to friends or relatives, unless they are really really keen on getting one for a pet.

So, if your sole reason to breed y our female bearded dragon is just for fun, or because you think it would be cute or cool having babies, don't breed it. Save yourself and your dragon alot of hassel and stress. If you want babies, babysit somebodies kids for awhile.

first off.....she is way too young to breed. I wouldn't start thinking about breeding her for another year maybe.

i have an 8 month old 14-15 in. female dragon who is paired with a runt male who is only about 16in. at his full grown size. its all about finding a mate who is the right size. as long as she has reached sexual maturity she will breed. she may not lay quite as many eggs but she will probably grow larger. start feeding a little bit more food so she can grow a little bigger for next breeding season. then get her a mate and breed them.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

Jonathan,

Please understand that you have a lot to learn about breeding animals, bloodlines, health, etc. You are 14 years old and I encourage you to pay attention to what some older folks have to say about your breeding habits.

Try not to get mad at what people say about your breeding habits, just listen to them and try to understand there is a bigger picture than what you are paying attention to.

That being said I do not think you should breed the dragons you are planning on breeding. You will only be adding small dragon genes to an already declining gene pool quality.

Good luck because you're about to be yelled at by a lot of good, experienced beardie keepers and they are 100% right.
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Rob Talkington

sorry i used wrong wording. by runt i mean he grew at a slower pace because the last person who had him didnt feed him as much as they should so that he could reach a large size fast. His size is not in his genes and wont pass on to the offspring. Plus he has already bred once( by his last owner) and produced normal sized babies with no growth disabilities. I know i have a lot to learn but in this case i know what i am doing. besides right now they are seperated and are going to stay that way till next breeding season and by that time they will be a proper size.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

I mean, why not get yourself a good sized, healthy dragon and breed him instead of the runt? That way you are contributing to help make your hobby better instead of worse.

Please, please think about this. It's obvious you have some experience and knowledge about beardies. Don't you want to do what's best for everyone?
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Rob Talkington

if he carries on breeding, in a few years we will all end up with micro dragons. DONT BREED THEM RUNTBOY!!

please read my replys. it might explain a few things.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

please dont make assumptions that he is unhealthy because of his current size. he is very healthy and is growing at a normal pace now.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

i have an 8 month old 14-15 in. female dragon who is paired with a runt male who is only about 16in. at his full grown size. its all about finding a mate who is the right size. as long as she has reached sexual maturity she will breed.

Are you nuts???

You think finding a similar sized mate makes breeding a 14-15" dragon OK???
As long as she has reached sexual maturity it's ok?

God forbid you should have a 12 yr. old sister and think the same way!!!! Cuz that's exactly what you are doing!!

When word gets around that this is your breeding practice, you might as well pack it in.
Calling yourself "littleherper" has a new meaning.
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www.classylizard.com

you people really need to relax. THEY ARE SEPERATED RIGHT NOW AND WONT BE PUT TOGETHER TILL NEXT BREEDING SEASON!!!!!!!!!! SO CALM DOWN!!!! IM NOT STUPID!!!! I REALIZE THAT A 15 INCH DRAGON IS TOO SMALL TO BREED!!!!!!! JUST BECAUSE I SAY THERE A PAIR DOESNT MEAN THERE BREEDING!!!!
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

also i said if she has reached sexual maturity she WILL breed i didnt say you SHOULD breed her. those are 2 differnt things people.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

I went back and reread your post to see if I could have misread it. I didn't.
When you say dragons are paired, that means they are together. If they are in seperate tanks, they aren't paired or together.
There's nothing in your post to indicate you meant anything different then what everyone saw.
So now, I have to wonder if you're covering your a$$ or you just used really bad wording.
Everyone saw it the same way, as you can see. You're flipping out because you made a mistake.
Maybe you should go back and read your original post and understand why everyone thought you were trying to breed a small beardie. It really wasn't our mistake.
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www.classylizard.com

I used bad wording but that is no reason to jump on me. I admit I made a mistake but you all made a mistake also for jumping on me for no reason. And when i said they were paired i meant that they are going to breed with each other before they breed with any other beardies. I did not mean they are together breeding already.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

It's done. You're just not gettin it.

"but you all made a mistake also for jumping on me for no reason".

Maybe we did, but it was your fault that it happened. Forgive us for not being able to tell what you REALLY meant.
If you thought someone was breeding a 8 mo. old 14-"15" dragon, you wouldn't say anything?

Over and out--------------------------->
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www.classylizard.com

jeez i suck at writing things correctly. yes i wouldve said something but i would have said something else... and i wouldnt have yelled at everybody. I am sorry it was completly my fault what happened. I am letting this go I dont wanna take this argument any further. besides. what happens in the past stays in the past.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

Dragons can reach sexual maturity much younger then what they should breed.
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www.classylizard.com

*sigh* I KNOW THAT!!!!! when i said that once they reach sexual maturity they will breed i meant that it is possible to breed them and they may very well do so if given the chance. I apolagize to everyone who took my post the wrong way. You all said numerous times that i am a kid. therefore you should all understand that I may use bad wording and imply something I dont mean.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

didnt you guys just say to drop it to each other?

Take the beating and LEARN from those who know better.

Sean
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Heart Mountain Herps

Stop picking on littleherrper.Just so you know I am only 11.I post here to learn from all you great herpers.I am learning so that when I am older I will be able to herp like you guys.Thanks for teaching me. .thanks. I learn something new everyday.

yes, stop! you guys arent going to make it better yelling at littleherper! ::

Trust me, nobody's yelling. But wrong information is wrong information and when offered up with a company name as a signature can be VERY dangerous to people who don't know any better so it needs to be corrected immediately.

Sean
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Heart Mountain Herps

Rob, Sean, and Amanda, and (whoever else!) have just corrected some misinformation that little herper gave. The dragons in the U.S. have a very limited, and very poor gene pool. Breeding bad genes into bearded dragons will just contribute to the bad genes. They have just given some helpful advice and a small admonition to littleherper, nothing to get worked up about!
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I didnt give any wrong information. go back and read my post. It is true that a beardie that has reached sexual maturity will breed if givin the chance. it is true that you need to find a mate that is the right size. I also said in the last sentance. START FEEDING HER A LITTLE BIT MORE SO SHE WILL BE A GOOD SIZE NEXT BREEDING SEASON. THEN GET A MATE AND BREED HER. everyone who RUDELY replyed to my post obviously didnt read the whole thing. Also you people need to stop asuming things. You have all made a mistake because your yelling at me about something that never happened. I was NOT trying to imply that you should breed small dragons. and i didnt mean to imply that i do that beacuse i DONT! I know you all think i am some stupid kid who doesnt know anything but i know alot more than you think. I also know to do something you people dont know. think before you act!!!! this is something you all obviously wernt doing because if you were then you would have realized that mabye i didnt mean what you immediatly thought i meant. Also mabye you should have read the whole post before reacting. You people have gotten way to used to kids with no knowladge about herps saying stupid stuff.
but you obviously havnt gotten used to me. Im not just another stupid kid. Ive been learning about herps my almost whole life. i think 10 years of herp knowladge is enough to have you people give me a little bit of respect. Please from now on give me a little more respect and dont jump on me without all the facts about why your jumping on me. and from now on i will be more specific with what i am saying. thank you for reading this.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

You guys have to understand that this exact problem needs to be fixed or you won't get to herp like us older folks. Instead of enjoying your beardies you may be treating them constantly for illness they would have not had if people like littleherper would have not bred the bad genes into the pet trade.

It is very important you understand what you do now can ruin it for you and everybody else in 5-10 years. I don't think anyone wants that, especially littleherper, because littleherper would feel pretty bad if he knew he had something to do with the demise of bearded dragons.

I think littleherper loves his beardies and I think he just hasn't paid enough attention and done enough research to know what not to do. I don't know how long he's been around here but it's hard for me to believe he hasn't seen some of the posts regarding breeding low quality beardies. If he hasn't then it's time he started reading other's posts on the subject. Maybe he has just started reading other's posts and didn't realize what he was planning on doing was a huge no-no. Now, hopefully, he does understand he needs to change his ways.

God I certainly hope so because I enjoy beardies too and I'll do whatever I can to spread the word about breeding bad genes into the trade.

I do hope you understand it's not about littleherper, it's about his breeding habits and the bearded dragons.
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Rob Talkington

Reptaguy I think you're a great kid who loves your beardie and want what's best, and I think it's great you come here looking for knowledge.

I just want you to know that I personally think 11 years old is too young to consider breeding animals. If you wait until you are older it will give you lots of time to learn about how to do it properly so you can avoid problems like this, and also you won't have to depend on your parents to support your hobby financially, because it can be very expensive and I don't think they'll enjoy spending so much money on supplies and higher electricity bills.

You're just a kid still, enjoy your time with your beardie now as a pet, getting to know how to give it great care and love, and leave breeding to the adults. It's a very serious and delicate thing, and if you take the time now to learn a lot about it, then when you are an adult I have no doubt you'll be a great breeder llike the other folks here!
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Amanda
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2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
1.0 ferret (Playstation)
1.0 cat (Wally)
0.1 dog (Tima)

>>Reptaguy I think you're a great kid who loves your beardie and want what's best, and I think it's great you come here looking for knowledge.
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>>I just want you to know that I personally think 11 years old is too young to consider breeding animals. If you wait until you are older it will give you lots of time to learn about how to do it properly so you can avoid problems like this, and also you won't have to depend on your parents to support your hobby financially, because it can be very expensive and I don't think they'll enjoy spending so much money on supplies and higher electricity bills.
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>>You're just a kid still, enjoy your time with your beardie now as a pet, getting to know how to give it great care and love, and leave breeding to the adults. It's a very serious and delicate thing, and if you take the time now to learn a lot about it, then when you are an adult I have no doubt you'll be a great breeder llike the other folks here!
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>>Amanda
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>>2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
>>0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
>>1.0 ferret (Playstation)
>>1.0 cat (Wally)
>>0.1 dog (Tima)
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Rob Talkington

I have 2 kids, 10 and 14 and they each own their own pets. my 14 year old boy is not as responsable as my 10 year old daughter when it comes to animals. Since my daughter was just over 8 years old she has been saving her alowance and working helping in the business so she can afford a Pair of womas. Not one but a breeding pair. She has saved over $1000 towrds that goal. She wants to be a vet and has already seen several necropsies and is reading her copy of Grays Anatomy. When she carves a chicken for dinner she is quized on muscles and body parts. She asks questions all the time about the proper care of our animals and has learned first hand, reeding is not a simple matter of throw a boy and girl together and... babies.

I can give you other examples of other kids I know but I think I made my point. I know many (to many) adults who know less than my kids when it comes to reptiles. So please dont bring age into it. There are several kids on this list and others that I belong to. The fact that they are here and participating says a lot for them. (Keep up the research guys.) As for their parents... I dont know them, do you? you don't know what input they have so don't be so fast to judge.

I think this thread has been beaten to death, let it die.

Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once.

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Bennett

www.beardiedragon.com

I agree their are always exceptions to every rule and I should not have made such a blanket judgement on all children. Your daughter is very lucky to have a family who is encouraging of her hobby and a father who shares all her interests, but many kids are not so lucky, especially with a hobby as expensive as breeding reptiles can be. I just think more often than not children (and adults) don't know what they are getting into and should be warned that it could be a lot more than they expect.

Please do note that I did give reptaguy a lot of credit for just being here and learning what he can, that goes a long way and I respect it a lot. I try not to judge when I don't know the whole story, but I do know that he's fairly new to beardies, because just a month or so ago he was asking how to feed it properly and up until a few weeks ago wasn't giving multivitamins at all. I don't think taking a few extra years to study up is ever bad advice, especially in this case.

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Amanda
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2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
1.0 ferret (Playstation)
1.0 cat (Wally)
0.1 dog (Tima)

np
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Bennett

www.beardiedragon.com

JESUS ROB!!!!!! I DIDNT BREED THEM YET AND DONT PLAN TO UNTIL NEXT BREEDING SEASON. THERE IS NO BAD GENE. HE JUST WASNT FEED AS MUCH AS HE SHOULDVE BEEN BY HIS LAST OWNER. STOP TRYING TO RUIN ME. I HAVE DONE THE REASEARCH. IVE READ THE BOOK. I PAY ATTENTION!!! please read my replys. mabye it'll explain everything and youll realize you owe me an apolagy for starting this.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

Take a deep breath. You are replying and yelling at posts that were made before you gave an explanation. I'm sure once people see that you've corrected yourself everything will simmer down. I know how upset you must feel, but give people a chance to see what you've said before getting upset about it more.

I misunderstood you too. It was a bad choice of words but give people time to see what you meant and it will clear itself up.
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Amanda
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2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
1.0 ferret (Playstation)
1.0 cat (Wally)
0.1 dog (Tima)

Amanda, I realize that i am being rude and am doing what everyone else did to me. yelling at them without an explanation. Again for the like 4th time i am very sorry and wish i had not said what i said. I have learned from my mistake. which is what mistakes are for.... learning.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

ok I'll do what you say but the people who are replying dont know better in this situation because they are making asumptions without knowing all the facts. again just because I say there a pair doesnt mean there breeding. it just means they WILL BREED EVENTUALLY!!!!!!! They still havent even gotten used to eachother yet so they are seperated but there tanks are right next to eachother. again for the third time the arnt going to be bred till next season.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

Sorry man, but i'm obviously not the only one that misunderstood your post. When you start giving advice and use a company name as your signature some people will assume that you know what you're talking about. Just don't want some newbee that misunderstood it like the rest of us thinking that that's what you meant and it was alright thats all. Don't get so worked up over it, it's all cool.

Sean
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Heart Mountain Herps

its not cool. you people could have just given my business a bad name for doing something i dont do. jeez you people could've at least asked some Q about what i said instead of jumping on me like that. srry if i am being rude. I'm just a little annoyed right now.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

The proper response to all of this on your part should have been: I'm sorry, I totally mistyped what I meant to say and I can see why you all are calling me on it. The facts are...
But instead you keep blaming everyone else, accusing people of trying to ruin you.
If you screw up, own it. It's simple.
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www.classylizard.com

I just apolagized right before you posted this. I know i made a mistake ok. But still i dont like being yelled at for something i didnt do. and mabye you should apolagize for calling me names.

again I apolagize to everyone who took my post the wrong way. I know it wasnt your fault and i am not angered becuase you took the post the wrong way. i am angered because you accused me of telling him to breed his beardie. which i specifically said wait till next breeding season. I am also angered because a few people were a little bit rude in the way they replyed. yelling at a teenager does nothing but tick them off.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

I apolagize to everyone who took my post the wrong way. I know it wasnt your fault and i am not angered becuase you took the post the wrong way. i am angered because you accused me of telling him to breed his beardie. which i specifically said wait till next breeding season. I am also angered because a few people were a little bit rude in the way they replyed. yelling at a teenager does nothing but tick them off.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

A person by themselves can give their business a bad name by saying or doing something that is simply interpreted the wrong way. This is something that you have done, inadvertently perhaps, but it has been done and you have done it to yourself. Running a business involves putting brain in gear before mouth in motion. This is something that you have neglected to do.

I am under the assumption that you are very willing to help others as you have been helped in the past but neglected to take into account that everything you say needs to be very clear. You were obviously not clear in your post and left it open to several interpretations. Most people interpreted it in a fashion that was not to your liking and this is in fact 100% your fault for not making yourself absolutely clear. If you run a business and make an error, stating that you are a kid doesn’t excuse you from taking responsibility for your error. It is essentially saying I can’t be held accountable for my ignorance and we are all accountable for our ignorance, every man, woman and child.

I can’t say that I agree with your breeding an animal that has stunted growth for any reason as this is not something that I myself would do. Even though it isn’t genetic (in your opinion, you really don’t know because you haven’t owned this animal from birth and seen firsthand that it wasn’t fed properly) you will never truly be able to tell what size this particular animal would have attained. An animal that has been stunted by malnutrition may develop serious organ damage depending on the severity of the malnutrition and is never a good candidate for breeding because breeding it may in fact push it’s, possibly damaged, organs past their limits (especially females). This in turn usually ends that life of an animal that may have lived a relatively normal lifespan otherwise.

In addition, a minor is not permitted by law to enter into a legally binding contract. Therefore a minor can not own a business. You may have a business name but I don’t believe that it is registered within the state that you reside. If it isn’t registered or a Sole Proprietorship with a fictitious name filing you actually don’t have a business. You may be a breeder and have a name that you use but shouldn’t represent yourself as a business. If you represent yourself as a breeder with a web page that is one thing but a business is something else altogether.

Being a minor and not being allowed to enter a legally binding contract you cannot be held accountable nor enter into any contract, this includes but isn’t limited to live delivery, sale of goods, health guarantee and so forth.

I am in no way trying to discourage you or make you angry but I would like for you to understand that you are only a child once and it should be enjoyed without the added burden of adult responsibilities. Breeding a very limited number of animals as a hobby is a very educational experience if you have the proper guidance but running a business should be left to adults.

I wish that I could go back and be your age and not have to worry about very much at all. It is a time in our lives that passes much too quickly but when we are young we are in such a hurry to grow up that we don’t realize how relatively carefree being a child is until it is gone. Once it is gone it can never be reclaimed and I would like for all the children in the world to simply enjoy being children for the short time that they have. Please don't rush into adulthood at full speed but take your time and enjoy being a kid.

That's my two cents worth.

DUDE! i already apoligized like 5 or 6 times and admitted that it was my fault. this post has been dead for a while. lets keep it that way.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

and no amount of double talk can take that back. here is exactly what you said
"i have an 8 month old 14-15 in. female dragon who is paired with a runt male who is only about 16in. at his full grown size."

Now, you say shame on us because we jumped to the conclusion that this "full grown size" bearded dragon will not all of a sudden have a growth spurt. hmm. See, when you say "full grown size", we take that to mean that it is in fact done growing. How are we supposed to know you have some magic food that will increase the full grown size after it has already been reached?

Further more, how do you know that its small size IS NOT genetically determined? You said its groth was stunted because it wasn't powerfed, but how old is it? Would not a breeder truly interested in strong blood lines pull it from breeding on the CHANCE that it is genetic? See, you can not say for sure if it is or isn't genetic can you? You make it clear that you do intend to breed it next year.

Shall we discuss context my little knowledgable friend? In light of the original post, the position you are now claiming makes no sense. Seriously young grasshopper, what does it mean to pair up? And you used the word "runt". Runt is not an ambiguous word. Why would a runt be paired up with anything? And finally, if this "runt" will have a growth spurt over the next year as you imply, what does its present size and the females present size have anything to do with anything? If neither one is truly done growing, why pair them up now when you would have no idea of what their real "full grown size" is?
I'll be anxious to hear you talk your way out of this one.
Paul Kemes

I know i made a mistake. i apolagize. if i could i would take back everything i said. I know it is not in its genetics because he is getting bigger.

I am not certain but i beleve he is about 10 months old.
When i got him about 3 weeks ago he was 16in. i just measeured him and he is now 17in. and my female is now 16 in. i hadnt measured them in a while.

Also. I am very sorry for everything that happened. I am sorry I blamed you guys for what happened. I admit it was my fault. I wasnt thinking when i posted that thing this morning. when i read all the replys i had just come home from 7 1/2 hours of cleaning cages at a herp store and was very tired.
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

n/p
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www.classylizard.com

You remind me of a kid I got my plated lizard from when I was 16. He was about 12, volunteered at a pet store caring for reptiles, and had dozens of reptiles at home. He knew so much more than me at the time, and I was so impressed because he was so young but took on so many responsibilities.

Beardiedragon was right when he reminded me not to judge based on age. There was a kid who had more experience at age 12 than I do now at age 26!

You made a mistake the way you worded your post, and other's made a mistake by jumping to conclusions. I don't think anyone has started a business without hitting a few snags, and this is one of yours. It's a good learning experience for you though, a lesson in being very careful what you say, and also how to deal with people who may not understand or agree with you.

By the time you're an adult and your herp business is in full swing you'll have a good head start on how things are done!
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Amanda
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2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
1.0 ferret (Playstation)
1.0 cat (Wally)
0.1 dog (Tima)

lol i volunteer at a pet store and a herp store
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sincerely,
jonathan
JDDK Reptiles www.jddkreptiles.com

owning that is very mature, and the additional info you provided does change the light it's viewed in, at least for me. I do now have more respect for you than before this came up. Also, I made my post before your posts apologizing, had I seen that I would not have posted what I did. hats off to you.
Paul Kemes

Geez, what can I say? If I had known you simply worded your post wrong I would have been a little more understanding. I hope you understand that. I also hope you understand that you being a kid had nothing to do with my comments. I'd have said the same thing to a person 200 years old.

Good luck, Johathan. You know you can do anything you set your mind to and maybe I'll be lucky enough to get one of your dragons some day.

To all the other kids who may be reading this ROCK ON! I have absolutely nothing against kids doing this sort of thing if they have the responsiity and knowledge necessary. But just like many adults, some kids just shouldn't be doign it, and some points just need to be made to have a strong impact.
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Rob Talkington

im thinking of breeding cresties.

You know what? I've never even seen a gecko in person that I can remember. I know they're real popular and are pretty cool but I've just never seen one.

If you decide to breed them maybe I'll get my first one from you. I mean I'm pretty sure I'll eventually have one so if you do decide to breed them try to remember to email me when you've got some available, okay?

Good luck!!
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Rob Talkington

ok. im planning on breeding bright reds for 75 bux each just so you know

My beardie hatchling I kept from one clutch is a big boy..

500 grams, she was physically an adult, as they can with the correct resources at 6 months old on, but the key words are correct resources, as they make use of them to do things young as they are food for many animals. Id rather use size and weight as a reference to breed by rather than age. Some we obtained from a junk reptile dealer (wont post his name), were almost 2 years old and as small as my 2 month old, they bred their first time at 3 years old, and alot larger.