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I would gladly give credit to the owner of this creature if I knew who that was. The photographer's name is on the pic.

www.boa-subspecies.com/subspecies/honduran.htm

I'm reading up (as much as there is available on-line) on Hoggs. I was wondering if this pic is indeed something other than a hypo-hogg. I think if I could find some offspring like this I just couldn't refuse. (if they wouldn't cost more than my furniture)

I feel confident in being able to properly care for them. I've had brb's for 3 years that have had 2 litters, and I understand that BCI is less demanding as far as husbandy goes.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Linda

Hey linda the picture is of a bahia island boa mor comonly known as a "fire belly" there are only a few people i know of producing them i believe dennis seargent has them available hog islands are totally diferent looking and alot easier to find

I put it in my someday file. I'm glad to know it's real.

actually i dont think they're that expensive i think its just tougher to find them thats all

Hoggs Isle are a good choice...but I would personally prefer a pure Hoggs over a Hypo cross. I think you would really enjoy BCI, Linda. Don't tell anyone on that other forum....but they are by far my favorite. They have a been a pleasure in every conceivable way.

Take care, Chris O

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I'll have to get back to you on that one. I've just begun the searching, but I've been interested for a while. I would not support the mutt market, so don't be concerned. I saw your earlier reply, Nics are being looked at too.

Thanks

Okay....that's just wrong...

I do have an evolving opinion on crosses though. Jeremy Stone shared some very enlightening information with me that at least made me look at the whole thing a little more open-minded.

I admit...I'm on the Nic bandwagon...some of them are awesome. Ben Siegel has them for 100 a pair in the classifieds.

Let me know what you end up going with...

Take care....
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Hi Linda ,Here are some web-site's with some info. and pic's on Hog Island Boa's.www.cuttingedgeherp.com,www.classreptilia.com, www.riobravoreptiles.com,www.pmherps.com,www.hanleysherps.com I think all of these web-site's you can access on kingsnake under Breeder's and Dealers also.All of these Breeder's are working with (True Hog Island Boa's).
Have A Good One ! !
Kenneth

I am glad to know where the true hogs are. So far none of those sites are advertising availables. Riobravo is the only one within car trip distance for me...but I pack light and would love to see those beauties.

You might want to try sending some e-mail's, some of those Breeder's if not all, are expecting Hog Island offspring.
Have A Good One ! !
Kenneth

Linda,

BCI are fun, so different to BRBs. You will certainly enjoy them a lot. I love them - they seem to be the 'smartest' and also the most majestic of any snakes I have come across.

On a personal note - if you are at one point considering BCC and want to start with BCI, forget it! BCC are that different and with your current experience you can handle anything you get your hands on. BCC, in my opinion, are a little more exquisite looking. I prefer them to BCI any day (don't tell Chris! LOL). They aren't too much different and with your current experience you can handle anything you get your hands on.

Either way, I say BC are a good choice! Forget those pythons and collubrids...

On another note, I'd advise seeing the different varieties in person because unlike BRB, BCs come in all colours and patterns and if you don't get the right one first, they become an incurable disease! (Example: Chris)

HAHA, good luck Linda, I'm very excited for you!
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Imans House of Herps

I like the size of the smaller boas, at least if they live here with me. There are so many incredible creatures available I have to be mindful of my choice or I'd have one of each!

Thanks

If you never feed them more than jumbo rats as adults, they will not reach their full potential. Just a thought...

Take for example... my 1 year old ball was fed regularly and had increased food sizes when applicable and is now eating small rats.

An acquaitances 2 year old ball being fed weekly is half the size/weight of mine since it is never fed more than hoppers, though on a consistent weekly schedule. (Don't worry, I talked to the owner and adult mice are now the new menu item. You don't want to nutrient starve a growing animal!)
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-Iman
1.1 Sugar Gliders (Gizmo and Nema)
1.0 Ball Pythons (Spot)
0.1 Guyanan BCC (TBA)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow (TBA)

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Imans House of Herps

To buy an animal to with the goal to keep it under a given size is simply wrong. BCC have not been kept successfully in captivity for a long time, only a handful of people have had great success with them. I can't think of a healhty adult BCC that was cbb over 8 years old that is not 8ft plus. BCC grow very slow, they just need time and a little bit of food to get large. With more people successfully keeping them, we should see the average size go up with time. Some bloodlines stay smaller, I will give you that. Just don't starve an animal for your selfish reasons to hinder its size.

I by no means will ever starve an animal...

With all regards, instead of feeding my BCC rabbits at its adulthood, it will only eat rats, and always the quantity needed.

My statement before comes from a lab scientist where experiments showed that snakes grow according to their food supply. As is the case with reptiles and their incredibly efficient metabolism which is 10 times that of humans, snakes have the ability to regulate their size potential based on their availability of food.

Hence smaller snakes from islands - more competition for food and smaller number of larger prey items. It is survival of the fittest. Snakes are king.

Also take into fact that many snakes in capacity suffer from obesity and chronic dehydration. Obesity plays a significant role in size.

I hope you understand my point, starving is not the intended message.
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-Iman
1.1 Sugar Gliders (Gizmo and Nema)
1.0 Ball Pythons (Spot)
0.1 Guyanan BCC (TBA)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow (TBA)

Loving to Learn
Learning to Help
Helping to Love

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Imans House of Herps

Also take into fact that many snakes in captivity suffer from obesity and chronic dehydration
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-Iman
1.1 Sugar Gliders (Gizmo and Nema)
1.0 Ball Pythons (Spot)
0.1 Guyanan BCC (TBA)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow (TBA)

Loving to Learn
Learning to Help
Helping to Love

Stimulate debates, stifle arguments.
Please be nice always.



Imans House of Herps

That kemper was insinuating that you advocate starvation. Ithink he's saying, simply that by feeding them in the manner you described, their growth doesn not stop. It simply slows down. If maintained in a healthy way (and this allows for standard-sparse feeding schedules) given a long enough time line these animals WILL eventually fufull their size potential.

Obviously starvation is not proper husbandry, but a sparse feeding schedule for adults can be. BUT they WILL still grow however slowly, to meet their size potential.
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