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I have 3 WC ball pythons all over 1000 gram one is 2500 gram. How much Panacur and Flagyl should I treat them with. The Panacur is in a paste and the Flagyl is in pill form. Any help would be great as i would like to try and breed one this year.

Walt
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1.5 Ball Python
1.0 50% Het Albino Ball Python
0.1 Columbian Red Tail Boa
1.0 Albino Burm

(1)Weigh the animal in grams

(2)Divide the weight of the animal by 1000

(3)Multiply that by whatever the dosage is (25,40,ect.ect.)

(4)Divide that by 25

I have always used liquid Flagyl, but to dilute the pill, you will have to crush up 1 pill, mix it with 10cc water, shake it up, and draw up in a syringe the amount you need.

Example: on a 2500gram snake getting 25mg/kg of Panacur would be 2.5cc Panacur. If you were giving it 40mg/kg it would be 4.0cc Panacur.

Good luck, and hope I didn't confuse you too much.
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CB

"Maybe the venom has gone to my head"

I give Panacur at 25mg/kg every 7 days for 3-4 doses.

Flagyl at 25mg/kg 1x and 3 days later another x, and thats all for Flagyl.

Everybody uses different doses for their snakes, but the 25mg/kg is very safe for Ball pythons, and works very well for me.
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CB

"Maybe the venom has gone to my head"

The best you can do is this:

Flagyl (metronidazole); 150 mg/kg of body weight.
Panacur (fenbendazole); 100 mg/kg of body weight.

Give both once and repeat after 14 days.
You can mix the flagyl and panacur.

Chris van Kalken
The Netherlands

Flagyl can cause neurological damage at that high of doses, but I have used it at high doses (not with BP's) and have not seen problems, but others have. I would say better safe than sorry.

JMO
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CB

"Maybe the venom has gone to my head"

Complete BS what you say there. All major veterinary manuals and most known reptile vets use dosages of metronidazole of up to 300 mg/kg of body weight. As an animaltechnician specialised in reptiles I have treated hundreds of reptiles with this dosage and never seen problems. I know for sure that you don't know what you are talking about.

Chris van Kalken
www.dragonmaster.nl

You are right. You ever hear of different animals tolorating different dosages????? You are reading outdated material JA.
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CB

"Maybe the venom has gone to my head"

I'll make sure the next time I treat a 2500gram animal with Flagyl, to give it a 300mg/kg dose.......Thats 30cc Flagyl!!!! WHAT??? Get real dude.
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CB

"Maybe the venom has gone to my head"

Flagyl (40 mg/ml in Holland) is 18.75 ml for a 2500 gram animal if you would give it 300 mg/kg. I give an animal like that 9 ml (150 mg/kg).
The reason for me to do this is that I don't want to stress a sick animal every day but just one time in 14 days.
I checked my litterature, you are right, there have been cases where animals showed signs of nausea, etc. Even a few lampropeltisses died. I don't believe that is completely because of to the "high" dose of flagyl though. I treated dosins of lampropeltisses with the 150 mg/kg dose.
I have doubts about the low dose you recoment, sorry.

Chris van Kalken
The Netherlands

I have no idea about the mg/ml doses, and I have given snakes (mainly Naja species) 100 mg/kg dose with no problems, and know people who have given up to 200mg/kg doses with no problems, but some snakes (I think Indigos are one of them) showed bad signs after these higher doses (I don't know about Ball pythons). The 25-40mg/kg dose on the first & third day has been recommended & has worked well for me with Balls. Sorry I got so uptight.
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CB

"Maybe the venom has gone to my head"

Those seem to be much higher than what I remember in the Exotic Animal Formulary for ball pythons. What books are you getting your dosages from? Reptiles encompass a wide range of species, and their varying rates of metabolism (among other things) need to be taken into account. Besides, no need to be so hostile...