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some questions about mites...

coal Jun 19, 2003 09:23 PM

Hi, I just got a new snake in and she has mites. The vet told me to give her a bath in mineral oil twice a week and bleach her cage at least twice a week.
How long will it take to get rid of these suckers?
I am worried about the rest of my collection- how easy do they spread?
Can they hurt a human, dog, or cat?
I keep having these creepy crawly feelings all over!
Can they transfer from room to room via say, a dog?
Thanks a lot for any help.
Nicole
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Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana, Sydnee, and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Bo, Katrina and Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow
Marilyn ~ Sandfire Red
Jane ~ Normal

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Colt

Replies (10)

Jeff Clark Jun 19, 2003 10:27 PM

Nicole,
. Mites are a serious problem. They can spread in a collection and are the likely carrier of many reptile diseases including Inclusion Body Disease. Even if they are carrying no pathogens they can draw enough blood from a snake to cause health problems. They can also annoy a snake so much that it will start rubbing and damaging it's nose trying to escape from the cage and the mites.
. The advice you have gotten from your Vet is outdated and ineffective. Mineral oil baths will kill many mies but not all of them and they will come back and breed and multiply. Bleaching the cage will kill lots of mites but it is impossible to get all of them with this method. Mineral oil baths sometimes cause skin problems. Bleach fumes inside a cage is not a good thing. Permethrin is the active ingredient in several products and it is the only way to kill mites effectively and safely. One of the products which has been specifically tested and labled for mite treatment in snake collections is Provent-a-mite. Get some of it and use as directed and all the mites will be killed. Before this product was available mites were a very common problem and we used all sorts of methods, including mineral oil and bleach and had limited success eliminating mites.
Jeff

>>Hi, I just got a new snake in and she has mites. The vet told me to give her a bath in mineral oil twice a week and bleach her cage at least twice a week.
>>How long will it take to get rid of these suckers?
>>I am worried about the rest of my collection- how easy do they spread?
>>Can they hurt a human, dog, or cat?
>>I keep having these creepy crawly feelings all over!
>>Can they transfer from room to room via say, a dog?
>>Thanks a lot for any help.
>>Nicole
>>-----
>>Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations
>>Cook Minnesota
>>
>>BOAS:
>>Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
>>Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
>>Desdemona ~ Peruvian
>>Madeline ~ Surinam
>>Avery ~ Bolivian
>>
>>CORNS:
>>Kiana, Sydnee, and Sierra ~ Amel
>>Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
>>Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
>>Bo, Katrina and Aidan ~ Ghost
>>Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
>>Ariel ~ Striped Amel
>>Lily ~ Blizzard
>>Ambur ~ Creamsicle
>>Neva ~ Snow
>>Sage ~ Normal
>>
>>BEARDED DRAGONS:
>>Divine ~ Silver Pastel
>>Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
>>Baby ~ Snow
>>Marilyn ~ Sandfire Red
>>Jane ~ Normal
>>
>>CAT:
>>Morgan ~ Calico Tabby
>>
>>DOGS:
>>Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds
>>
>>HORSES:
>>Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
>>Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
>>Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
>>Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
>>Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
>>Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Colt

coal Jun 19, 2003 11:03 PM

Jeff,
thank you very much for your help. I am glad I decided to post a message to get a second opinion. I just ordered some Provent-a-Mite and hopefully it will do the trick.
I'm afraid they are spreading. Very quickly. Even into other rooms. How do they get from one room to another? I am pretty good about washing my hands after handling but I guess not perfect. Can they transfer on my dog?
How long can a mite live without access to a host? I took all my snakes out of their cages and racks and put them in rubbermaids, but how long will it take? I bleached all the cages and racks, but just to be sure, I dont want to put anything back in until I'm SURE that even if an egg or mite lived through the bleach that it would die of lack of a host. This whole situation is extremely stressful.
I guess I learned my lesson to quarantine and observe new ones. She was guaranteed clean and pest free. Yeah, right.
Thank you very much.
If you have any other tips please let me know.
Take care,
Nicole

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Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana, Sydnee, and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Bo, Katrina and Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow
Marilyn ~ Sandfire Red
Jane ~ Normal

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Colt

eurban2 Jun 20, 2003 08:58 AM

I agree with Jeff concerning the Provent-a-Mite treatments. This product has worked like a charm for me in the past. I also recommend that if you have a collection of reptiles - you will want to take preventative measures about once a month or so, even if you don't have mites. It helps give you peace of mind.

As for your concerns about spreading - yes they do - very quickly. I have read that neotate mites can crawl the length of a football field to get to reptiles. Sorry to scare you, but mites are a pain! So, usually by the time the human eye notices mites, they are already in your entire collection. Do the Proven-a-Mite treatment on ALL of your reptiles and then repeat about two to three days later. (You might want to buy more than one can) Go ahead and throw out any substrate that was in the cages (take it out to the trash too - outside), and perform the treatment as recommended on the canister. Make sure you don't spray your reptiles - soaking them is best.

Hope this helps and good luck!

Sonya Jun 20, 2003 09:19 AM

I know about the bads with mineral oils but I like the idea of nailing the little cusses down with something so I use olive oil and then treat with provent a mite. This is for the only, single and solitary time I have had mites mind you. Personally mites make me break out in hives.....so BOY I can tell you a snake has them....all I need to do is handle it for five seconds and I start to itch.....weird but oddly useful. Especially with my old eyes.
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Sonya

Jeff Clark Jun 20, 2003 11:39 AM

Sonya,
. I used olive oil a few times many years ago. It worked like the mineral oil. It killed alot of the mites but not all of them. Mites are tough little guys. They will drown if left underwater for hours or if you coat the snake in oil but some of them will crawl out of the water or oil and find your snake later.
Jeff

>>I know about the bads with mineral oils but I like the idea of nailing the little cusses down with something so I use olive oil and then treat with provent a mite. This is for the only, single and solitary time I have had mites mind you. Personally mites make me break out in hives.....so BOY I can tell you a snake has them....all I need to do is handle it for five seconds and I start to itch.....weird but oddly useful. Especially with my old eyes.
>>-----
>>Sonya

Sonya Jun 21, 2003 09:30 AM

>>Sonya,
>>. I used olive oil a few times many years ago. It worked like the mineral oil. It killed alot of the mites but not all of them. Mites are tough little guys. They will drown if left underwater for hours or if you coat the snake in oil but some of them will crawl out of the water or oil and find your snake later.
>>Jeff

Oh, yeah, I wouldn't use it as the sole method. I like that it doesn't seem to hurt the snake like mineral oil. And I do like that it seems to get the ones on the snake to NOT jump off on me! Ok, now I am itchy again!
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Sonya

coal Jun 21, 2003 12:40 PM

please tell me what you mean. HOw does mineral oil hurt the snake?

Nicole
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Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana, Sydnee, and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Bo, Katrina and Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow
Marilyn ~ Sandfire Red
Jane ~ Normal

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Colt

John Q Jun 19, 2003 11:38 PM

I had to go through mite hell for the first time this year. They spread very quickly and can suddenly reappear. Here are a few steps you can take that will help. Spraying your rubbermaid boxes with a bleach solution is good but be sure to rinse them real good. Soaking a snake for hours in plain water will drown mites but to get the ones that are under the scales add a small amount of dish soap. The soap prevents the tiny air pockets under scales. I started with just water because sometimes your snakes start drinking the water their soaking in. While they are soaking, clean their bowls, hides, cages,racks, etc.
Instead of using provent a mite or other chemicals I used Nix. The stuff they sell at your local drug store for hair lice and crabs. Mix 2 ounces of nix into a quart of water, shake well, and then spray it all over the bowls, hides, cages, etc. and wipe down racks. Be real meticulous about cleaning racks and cages. I let my snakes soak for at least 6 hours and then when I returned them to their cleaned cages, I wiped them down with a sponge soaked with the Nix/water solution. I used the same strength as for cleaning cages, 2 ounces of Nix to one quart of water. Nix kills mites on contact and if I had used it from the beginning, they would have never reappeared. I tried another miticide the first time around. Looked like it was working but a few weeks later it was obvious that it did not kill eggs.
If you have any questions, email me.

Paul Hollander Jun 20, 2003 12:48 PM

Snake mites rarely parasitize humans, cats, or dogs. The mites can ride humans, etc., to other areas though.

Here's a file that may help you. Good luck.

Paul Hollander

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Life Cycle of the Snake Mite, _Ophionyssus natricis_ (summarized from Camin, 1953)

The following chart gives the average span of time spent in each stage of the snake mite's life cycle at two different temperatures. These temperatures are the ends of the range commonly encountered in zoos.

/ Temperature
Development Stage / 30 C (= 86 F) / 20 C (= 68 F)
----------------- / ------------- / -------------
Egg / 28 hours / 98 hours
Larva (nonfeeding) / 18 hours / 47 hours
Protonymph (feeding) / 3 days / 14 days
Deuteronymph (nonfeeding) / 13 hours / 26 hours
Adult (feeding) / 10 days / 32 days

(Sorry, the formatting wouldn't go through, so the / character separates the three columns.)

The time spent in the protonymph stage refers to those that find a host soon after molt. Unfed protonymphs can live 15 to 19 days before dying of starvation.

A gravid female leaves her reptilian host and finds a dark, moist crevice where she lays eggs. Each egg hatches into a softbodied larva, which does not move after leaving the egg. It is usually safe from dying of dehydration in the crevice where it hatched. After molting into the protonymph stage, the mite continues to stay in the humid crevice until its exoskeleton becomes sclerotized, which minimizes the chance of death from dehydration when the protonymph moves to dryer areas. Then it begins wandering around the cage at random. If the protonymph encounters a host, it climbs aboard, conceals itself under a scale, and begins feeding. When full of blood, the protonymph drops off the host, finds a dark, moist crevice, and molts into the deuteronymph stage. The deuteronymph is active but usually remains in the crevice until the final molt into the adult stage. The opposite sexes usually pair off in either the late proteronymph or deuteronymph stage. Mating takes place shortly after the mites reach adulthood. The adult wanders randomly around the cage until it encounters a host. Then it climbs on the host, sucks blood until engorged, and drops off. Males seek unmated females, and females seek crevices to lay eggs. Females lay 60-80 eggs, feeding two or three times at intervals of one to
two weeks.

Whenever a mite encounters a barrier, it climbs instead of going around the barrier. This leads mites to climb up the sides of the water dish, any other cage furnishings, and the walls. Any mite that passes through an opening and leaves the cage is likely to fall to the floor. There it continues to wander randomly until it either dies or enters another cage and finds a host. This wandering will rapidly infest every cage in the area.

Snake mites have rather rigid behavior patterns. If they encounter a barrier or an incline, they climb. They are attracted toward moist conditions and toward dark areas. If cold, they are attracted toward warmth until a threshold is reached, when they try to move toward a cooler area. They are attracted by the smell of a host and tend to stop moving when a contact area on the back touches something, like the underside of a snake's scale. The groove along a snake's lower jaw and around its eye make excellent attachment points for a mite, as these areas are adequately warm, moist, and narrow enough to trigger the contact stimulus.

One of the natural dangers to a snake mite is its host shedding its skin. The snake crawls away leaving the mite behind in the shed skin. However, the snake is rapidly reinfested in the confines of a cage.

Drowning is another natural danger to a snake mite. Snake mites are not able to swim and will eventually drown in water. In a bath, they are able to migrate along a snake's body to the head, which is usually out of water, and at least some of the mites survive. However, placing a clean snake cage on legs in a shallow pan of water will prevent mites from just walking into the cage.

Heat and dehydration are related dangers. Eggs are significantly less likely to hatch successfully in dry conditions than in humid conditions. Snake mites are killed within a few minutes at a temperature of 55 C (= 131 F).

(Camin, Joseph H. 1953. Observations on the life history and sensory behavior of the snake mite, _Ophionyssus natricis_ (Gervais) (Acarina, Macronyssidae). Chicago Academy of Sciences, Special Publ., No. 10. 75 pp.

coal Jun 20, 2003 04:01 PM

for all the ideas and solutions. I really appreciate you taking the time to help.
I hope everything goes well.
Thank you, and take care.
Nicole
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Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana, Sydnee, and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Bo, Katrina and Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow
Marilyn ~ Sandfire Red
Jane ~ Normal

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Colt

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