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On the python forum there is an article posted today. A pet store owner was found guilty of second degree animal cruelty for feeding a kitten to a large python. Interesting to know. The way the law is (vaguely) written, feeding live mice and rats could also be considered animal cruelty. Food for thought.

And don't they put cats and dogs to sleep all the time without being reprimanded?.......

I think that as long as the cats and dogs are overpopulated and being put down, why not use them as a food source.

I don't really condone the practice of feeding them to snakes, but I definitly don't see why someone would be arrested for the simple fact that they did. I bet if he would have taken it to the vet/shelter, it would have been put to sleep.

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I also heard one time that there was a teacher that was going to feed some puppies that were going to be put to sleep and was reprimanded for that. I just don't see why people would want to do it regardless....but I just don't see why it's so inhumane compared to putting them to sleep...they still die...which aint a good thing in my eyes....I guess I'm strattling the fence on this one though....

I just figure everything has to cycle. If a mouse can die for it why not a kitten. In a pure energy sense it is a waste to cremate an unwanted animal. If something else eats it (be it a snake, or worms, or parasites) than the energy was regained and useful.

i think its mean cuz they get eaten alive or constricted instead of painless lethal ingections or carbon monoxide chambers. i trully wouldnt have a problem if they were put to sleep, then fed to the snake.

i just read that. poor kitten

if he wasn't feeding the snake, he would be guilty of animal cruelty also!--due to starving the snake.

One could even argue that not letting him constrict live prey (feeding fresh killed or thawed) is cruelty, because it prevents the normal activity of a wild snake.

Rodney

Just so no young people are misled, rodney's logic is seriously flawed, as always. He said:

"if he wasn't feeding the snake, he would be guilty of animal cruelty also!--due to starving the snake."

But of course no one was suggesting that the better alternative would be to simply not feed the snake. So this is yet another really dumb thing that rodney says.

Then he said,

"One could even argue that not letting him constrict live prey (feeding fresh killed or thawed) is cruelty, because it prevents the normal activity of a wild snake."

And again, no one was even trying to claim this nonsense. This is a common logical fallacy arguement that people with no real arguement put forward, called a red herring, or straw man arguement - but its a logical fallacy. It has no validity whatsoever.

Its really too bad that some people can't bring themselves to focus on the real arguements at hand. SOme people are so desperate to "win" any arguement that they will ignore reason and logic. While anyone with half a brain would recognize them and ignore them, young people may be influenced by the nonsense someone like rodney spews here all the time.

Joe

I've fed both ducks to my retics I had years ago. With all the stray dogs and cats I don't see the problem with feeding them either. They are to difficult to catch though.

John

Feeding a live kitten should be illegal, feeding a pre-killed kitten should be legal. However, because kittens and puppies are seen as cute and cuddly and a 'normal' pet, the majority of people will see feeding it live or dead to a non-cuddly animal (ie snake) as inhumane. Yet, a good portion of these same people, would dump unwanted kittens on the nearest animal shelter or worse, on the street, because they are too cheap to pay the $100 to neuter/spay them.

Shelters are full of unwanted pets almost all the time and though they do put alot of effort in to finding good homes for them, many just can't afford to keep alot of unwanted animals in their shelters for more than a couple weeks. So, I don't see why it would be wrong for them to sell/give away the dead unwanted pets to be used as a food source for natural predators, like snakes. It's really general public opinion, most of it there without real thought (it's a kitten, a cute cuddly kitten and that mean man is feeding it to a snake, how cruel!)

Though I love cats as well and do find it unnecessary to feed kittens or puppies to snakes, especially when there are other food sources available for them. (chicks, rabbits, guinea pigs, etc.) I certainly wouldn't protest against feeding unwanted kittens/puppies or adult cats/dogs to large snakes, providing it is done in a humane manner. Then again, snakes are very efficient killers and it doesn't take long for them to kill their prey. I rather see people put more effort into stopping dog fighting than a reptile owner recycling unwanted pets as food for repties.

You know nothing about dogfighting. Don't go there! The people (MOST) that do it take better care of there dogs than anyone you know. It is all the media and amatures that are making it look so terrible.

The fighting dogs I've met were the friendliest, healthiest, most well taken care of dogs I have ever seen. No I don't fight dogs, I just have a strong love for a sweethearted, no quitin canine warrior.

Gamebred APBT's ROCK!!!
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CB

I want to apologize to everyone in advance because my statement and point have nothing to do with Ball Pythons or even this ridiculous thread!!

"You know nothing about dog fighting. Don't go there! The people (MOS

I want to apologize to everyone in advance because my statement and point have nothing to do with Ball Pythons or even this ridiculous thread!!

"You know nothing about dog fighting. Don't go there! The people (MOST) that do it take better care of there dogs than anyone you know."

bachman,
How old are you if I may ask?? I hope you say 5-6!!!

The reason I ask is because of your above statement..

You my friend no nothing about Dog Fighting!! The statement that anyone that fights there dog has any feelings for their animal is crazy!! I have seen what "Bait Dogs" that are unlucky enough to live look like!

Bait Dog: stray or unwanted dogs that have their mouths duct taped shut and thrown into a pen with a fighting dog!!

Fighting dogs are beaten, starved, shocked, cut and burned to make them the killing machines they are.. I know this because a family member has spent the last 10 years of his life on a task force that puts sick people like this away!! And also rehabilitates fighting dogs that are young enough to unlearn what they have been taught.. So before you make statements like that just think!!

Sorry again for the unrelated topic!!

Bait dog???? I see the news media has gotten into your head to. Yes punks do that crap, and they are the ones who should be put to sleep. I'm not going any farther with this, it belongs other places than the Ball forum.
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CB

First of all, you freaking moron....exactly how is forcing two dogs to fight until one is so bloodied or unable to continue (dead?) treating their dogs well??

Right....you met the most "friendliest, healthiest, most well taken care of dogs I have ever seen"...unless you are blind or hopelessly stupid, I can't begin to fathom your reasoning for this either.

"I just have a strong love for a sweethearted, no quitin canine warrior" - All fine and dandy...but perhaps you'd like to be put into a pit with me? I'm sure that you have been 'well taken care of', but I would love to test your mettle when it actually counts. You see, I train my classes to possess the ability to defend themselves and cause as much injury as is necessary to end the attack...as long as it is NECESSARY. It is NOT necessary to train (read: torture) and forcefully introduce two dogs to fight for your entertainment.

Anytime you would like a little entertainment, shoot me your addy (or I will publicly post the address and phone number of my Dojo)...I feel SURE that you will be most entertained.

Hmmmm, who forces their dogs to fight??? As for you threatining me, I'm not impressed AT ALL. How do you defend yourself once on the ground with a more than able opponent??? I don't fight dogs, never have, but the crap you read in the paper is just that, CRAP, but it makes for an interesting story.

Now, why challenge someone to a brawl if you Know nothing about them? Are you the kind of person who thinks they could take out Royce Gracie too? You my friend are very shallow.

Once again, I'm done with this ridiculous post.
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CB

"Hmmmm, who forces their dogs to fight???"
Anyone who participates in 'dog-fighting'.

"As for you threatining me, I'm not impressed AT ALL."
It wasn't a threat...it was an invitation.

"How do you defend yourself once on the ground with a more than able opponent???"
I am as comfortable fighting on the ground as I am standing.

"Now, why challenge someone to a brawl if you Know nothing about them?"
Again...it wasn't a challenge...rather an 'invitation'...you seem to think that it is nothing to see dogs fight - when they haven't even the ability to reason.

"Are you the kind of person who thinks they could take out Royce Gracie too?"
First of all, it's Royce Gracie in spelling, but in Brazilian the 'R' is pronounced with an 'H' sound - incidentally, I studied Gracie Jujitsu before I began teaching Hapkido. Secondly, No...I could NOT take him. Thirdly (and most importantly) I never claimed to be a champion fighter...just one who has trained for years to NOT have to fight unless necessary. The dogs have NO choice.

Learn to read the post in question before you make statements such as this. You would also do well to get your head out of your ass.

Over and Out,

Jay M. Dougherty

It is nice to read that someone else finds your twisted thinking as offensive as I do!!

"Hmmmm, who forces their dogs to fight???"
The same animals that remove claws and voice boxes from dogs so they can tear each other apart quietly!!

"I don't fight dogs, never have, but the crap you read in the paper is just that, CRAP, but it makes for an interesting story."

If you are insinuating with this pathetic comment that "dog fighting" is made up by the press or is exaggerated; I like Jay will invite you to come to CT and visit my brother in laws house to see that "bait dogs" are a real nightmare!!! Then we could take a ride to the holding facility that is run by the police taskforce to see how many animals there are that have to endure this type of torture!! further more I will introduce you to a officer that has permanent scares from a Rott that attacked him in a raid that he didn't hear coming because it had no nails or voice box..

All I ask is that you use at least a bit of your brain when you make statements..

A Corsi

I've eaten rabbit, cat, dog, and of course cow. I believe that there should be some laws against animal cruelty, but this goes too far...I mean JAIL TIME????? People get less for sexually assaulting HUMANS. Sad.

we are crazy non-caring human beings. Dogs and cats are generally accepted as companion animals. Mice and rats are thought of as pests that ought to be gotten rid of. This is the difference between the two. People that don't understand that or don't care are the same one who feed live because they enjoy watching their snake kill. This thread makes herpers look bad.
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jeff pfeifer

Should be used as snake food. They don't belong here (loose). It's funny how it's illegal to kill a cat running at large outside, but it's not illegal to let your cat outside to kill all the native wildlife.

Laws suk!!
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CB

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CB

i dont think its right to keep a cat indoors, it needs to be able to go outside and have fun, but hey, there are way to many strays out their.

They should not be allowed to roam outdoors. They are very effective predators that can put alot of stress on native wildlife populations, and this is a fact, but as the above post, this does not belong here, and I'm done with it.
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CB

Moved from the Ball Python Forum
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