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If I bred a male 50% poss. het pied with a normal female? Would all the offspring be 50% poss. het pied?

Thanks!

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graycat

Letting me live here:
2.1 normals
0.1 pie ball
1.0 hetpied
0.1 Suriname
? Common snapping turtle
? Alligator snapping turtle
1 Guinea pig
2 gold fish (turtle survivors)
3 pet rats and
3 cats
Oh yeah, and 3 children!

New editions: 2 male rats

Someone please correct me if i miss the mark on this.......but I think 25% possible hets would be the outcome.

A 100% het boy X Normal would give you 50% het (obviously)

A 50% het boy X Normal would give you have that chance.

I struggle with 50% het males. Wow! What an investment in time only to find you may have been producing all normals. I love 50% het girls......a whole army of them.....and proving them out with a known genetic male. But, a 50% het male is a huge risk in my opinion.

If I produce a 50% het male albino or pied.....etc. I plan to sell it as a nice normal. I could see maybe taking a chance on a major dinkin project with a very expensive high end morph on a 50% male......maybe?

I would spend the extra cash on a 100% het male. And then posibly save some money by purchasing 50% girls from a trust worthy source. You know in the end you will get some visuals.

Just a few thoughts,

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Jim Perron
Python Passion Reptiles
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www.pythonpassionreptiles.com

What to call the offspring of 50% chance het X normal is a question that comes up from time to time.

If you had a large number of random unproven 50% hets and bred them to a large number of normals producing a large number of babies about 25% of those babies would be hets. If you are only talking about one 50% chance het and it's offspring with a normal then they are either 50% hets if the parent 50% het hit or near 0% if they didn't. However, if you don't have any way of knowing yet if the parent is a het or not I have no problem calling the babies 25% chance as long as you understand that it's an all or nothing shot dependent on the parent (i.e. it doesn't matter how many "25% chance" females you keep back from that parent if they didn't hit their 50% chance).

It used to be that there where some very expensive recessive morphs, now days it seems like all the really new and expensive stuff is some kind of dominant. Possible het males made a lot more sense when the alternative was a many thousand-dollar 100% het. Now most of the 100% het for recessive males are pretty reasonable. A 100% chance het pied male for example is still out of the reach for some so there is still a small market for those who would otherwise be using a normal male but might pay an extra hundred or two for a possible het in the hopes of producing their own possible possible het females. I have a dozen "25% chance" het pied females growing up and am confident from the markings that several will turn out to be hets and since I didn't have $12,500 to spend on a single pair of 100% hets back then this way works for me.

What you need to understand is this:

No animal is a % het. What that % means is the CHANCE it has at being a het. It has a 50% CHANCE of being het or 66% CHNACE.

So...

A 50% poss het male, if actually a het, will produce 50% poss hets when bred to a normal.

A 50% poss het male, if not a het, will produce all normals (0% poss hets... ) when bred to a normal.

Thos are your two possible outcomes. The only way to tell if he IS a het, is to breed him back several of his 50% poss het daughters.

The way to go is to buy a 100% het male, and either breed him to normals or to some poss het females. That way, you haven't spent upwards of 4 years trying to see if your original purchase proves out.

Here is an article I’ve written that explains it all….
www3.mb.sympatico.ca/~cranwill/faq22.html
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Thanks, guys!

I haven't spent any money on a 50% het, I adopted it from a friend and I already have a normal female so naturally I was curious what would hatch if they were paired.

Thank you!
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...got balls?

graycat

Letting me live here:
2.1 normals
0.1 pie ball
1.0 hetpied
0.1 Suriname
? Common snapping turtle
? Alligator snapping turtle
1 Guinea pig
2 gold fish (turtle survivors)
3 pet rats and
3 cats
Oh yeah, and 3 children!

New editions: 2 male rats