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Here's a little background info-Kevin Hanley purchased a pair of dumerils from the Swedish bloodline from Dr. Schuette. He bred these animals and produced a litter containing a hypo dumerils female. I later bought several of the siblings, and the original mother. Jason bought the original father and the hypo female. Last year, I bred a pair of siblings of the hypo to each other and produced a small litter of 6 babies with one being a FULL TERM hypo. The hypo had kinks though and subsequently passed. This made the gene seem like a simple recessive trait to me. Now, this year Jason bred the original male back to the hypo female and produced a fullterm stillborn NORMAL and a fullterm hypo. I have seen everything from slugs, stillborns, premature, and fullterm babies with my dumerils, and NONE of the premature offspring resemble these animals. Now, agreed premature animals are lacking full pigmentation, but from the pythons I've pipped early, they have always gained full pigmentation very quickly. So, on that end how would you explain Jasons adult hypo keeping her color, and the hypo belonging to snakeman97 keeping his color(sorry I can't remember your name snakeman97). Take into account my animal came from this bloodline, and Jasons came FROM a hypo, and one would tend to think it's entirely possible this is genetic as we're suspecting. I kept back most of last years offspring which would be some 50% hets and some 66% hets from different breedings with my male if this trait does in fact turn out to be simple recessive. I don't know why you two were quick to try to run this down, but none of us are trying to scam anyone with the info we've stated, or the pictures we've shown. We have just tried to share what is exciting to us. Sorry if you found that offensive. Take care!

Paul

Thanks for your well thought response. I didn't mean that the animal wasn't hypo looking, it just looked premature as well. I had a clutch of 13 Dumerils in 01' that had a small still born neonate with the reddest color bar-none. I took a picture of him and will come up with it tomorrow. The older hypo pictured is very nice and looks very healthy. I have owned an adult trio for almost eight years and have become a huge fan of Dumerils... waiting for a color variant to bring this breed back into the limelight. Unfortunately, when I've asked before about color morph info, I received no answers. I do like these hypos but would like to see more conscientious efforts, ie. patience and less inbreeding, to develope these strains. Shallow gene pools make for inbreeding depression. Thanks again for your response and good luck with all your projects.
Sincerly-
Matt Schubarth
Pet Nebula
2100 Stephens #116
Missoula, Montana 59801
406 541 9929

This has been in the works since 98' basically. I have kept back the offspring to outbreed, and have put different bloodlines into this line. Last season was my first sibling breeding to see if there was a chance the trait was recessive. The result SEEMS promising, but nothing is solid yet. The other trait in the works is Reinholds in Germany with what looks like a Tpos dumerils. His subsequent success has been similar....same results, but stillborns, but from normal siblings to the Tpos. I have tried to import some of these possible hets, and it is not an easy task so far. I'd like to see your pic, it would be great for a comparison, and see if a definite difference can be determined to deter future disagreements of the possibility of this trait being genetic and not just a premature offspring. Snakeman97 should be having more offspring which are related to his hypo as well very soon, though I have really no details on his project. Well, I really gotta run....thanks for the good topic! Take care.

Paul