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I think Paul pretty much explained everything I missed most of the responces due to other priorities and then this NY deal. I havnt had a chance till tonight to veiw most of the forums. ANyway that animal is 110% a hypo I have been breeding Dumerils plus other snakes along time and can tell the differance between a premy and full term. All my dumerils produce 2 weeks after their latest shed and have done so for years she was right on the mark. In the litter there were two full term babies the hypo and a het. The hypo was out of the sake and under the mom when I foudn it laid out straight. Which tells me it was born live and she crushed it. The het was in the sake when we found them and I opene3d the sake for it. The animal was able to breath and even flick its tongue it was totally limp and died during the night. Also there was several slugs. The het dieing the way it did and the slugs I agree were a result of inbreeding. The hypo female was bred to her father. My reason in doing so was to prove the trait out. IMO that has been done. Getting what I did from inbreeding her also shown me the genes are weak when bred that way next year shell be out breed to produce hets to an unrealted male. Below is a photo of her that Kevin Hanley took. While her colors are a little differant now then they were when this pic was taken over 4yrs ago she still looks nothing like a normal dumerils. She still has her bone white sides that have no speckling in them what so ever and a light tan color down her back with light brown saddles. The way I explain her to people is shes about the some comparison to a normal dumerils as a hypo boa is to a normal boa. Now that she is eating again a couple weeks I plain on getting some good pics of her with comparison shots to show the differance between her and a normal with the new 35mm cam we got. To date all we have had is cheapy cameras.
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/3581hypodumerilsbabypic.JPG
Heres a pic of her offspring keep in mind the pic of her was taken at a year or so of age and not right after she was crushed and still had fluids on her.
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/3581hypo3.JPG
Now the next pic is of my Arancio Phase male. I produced him in 99, maybe 98 I cant remeber. The photo is of him and a sibling at a couple months of age. Today he still holds those colors you see in the below pic true
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/3581aranciosis.jpg
The next pic is of him and the same sibling. I took these a couple months ago so there is 4 or 5yrs between. These were taken with a crappy digital. I want to redo all his pics as well.
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/3581arancioandsishanging.JPG
and the next pic is just of him the same day
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/3581aranciotopveiw.JPG
Last year I bred my arancio phase male to an unrelated female, I got a little of full term still borns(dont ask me why I have been slugging everything out) In that litter were 2 normals and two idenical to him also I think 2 slugs. So I beieve this guy here will turn out to be codom. I have a female that is gravid and looking very good at this point in time to him so hopefully well get some viabale young from him. I hope between Pauls post below(thanks paul) and mine this clears up and missunderstanding between the two lines.
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Jason & Danica
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I've been wondering about the actual color of your Aranico Dumerils for some time, Kevin. It looked so clean when it was younger and I can't believe how well it has maintained its color into adulthood. But wouldn't you say that it could be a hypo with very low red pigment? Now that I've seen snakeman97's hypo(and PMB's), I can't help but think they look very similar. Both have the extremely clean background. Could they just be a different side of the same coin? One high red the other low red...
Not that it is my place, but I am glad you guys aren't going out of your way to inbreed these out of existance. I would love to see hypos available in a couple of years. But I do think an inbreed followed by a line breed is pushing it. And who knows what was done before they were imported into the states. Inbreeding depression got the European line into a pickle 10 years ago...producing dwarf Dumerils of questionable quality and health.
Also, I'd like to state we are NOT the BOAPHILIACS, that's too close to Jeff Ronne for anybody who doesn't know the BIG WIG...aka THE BOAPHILE. But I can understand the confusion there, mistyped or ill-read. Me and 7 other exotic animal breeders in Montana make up BIOPHILIACS. We keep everything from lizards and snakes to elk and deer to marsupials and primates... so we really can't limit our insanity to boas. A lot of combined knowledge in the exotic department and I speak for the group since I'm the only one that has time to waste on these forums. That and their horses might eat a computer if they had one...
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"But wouldn't you say that it could be a hypo with very low red pigment?" Its possible, my name is Jason, Kevin is the guy who produced my female hypo, anyway I have always referred to my line as Arancio(itilian for bright brilliant orange) because of the coloring, he has no red he is orange like a hunters coat. I have always referred to the female I purchased from Kevin as a hypo because she has more of the browns and faded colors like hypo columbains do

Now that I've seen snakeman97's hypo(and PMB's), I can't help but think they look very similar. Both have the extremely clean background. Could they just be a different side of the same coin? Well my hypo as well as PBM's I doubt due to their linage, they were imported from sweden. My Arancio was produced from "american" lines that I have traced back to the mid 80's, mom was born in 87 and dad in 88, its possible that mine and snakemans share common lines, according to bob clark all "american" dumerils came from 25 unrelated bloodlines that were brought in prior to Madagascar being shut down way back when, snakemans looks alot like my arancio so its possible that the genetics are floating and around and the both of us just got lucky and hooked them up.

If I miss spelled your name it was a miss type so I apoligize, my mind is in 20 places right now trying to deal with this new york stuff and everything at home. anyway hope this helps Jason
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Jason & Danica
Well, I'm off my rocker, I fell out of my tree, I've been standin' on shaky ground, There's no helping me, yeah, I can't remember my number, I can't remember your name
I can't remember all the trouble I'm in, child....... Well, I'm insane(Ratt, Im Insane)
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Hypo Female:

Heres a pic of her offspring keep in mind the pic of her was taken at a year or so of age and not right after she was crushed and still had fluids on her.

Now the next pic is of my Arancio Phase male. I produced him in 99, maybe 98 I cant remeber. The photo is of him and a sibling at a couple months of age. Today he still holds those colors you see in the below pic true

The next pic is of him and the same sibling. I took these a couple months ago so there is 4 or 5yrs between. These were taken with a crappy digital. I want to redo all his pics as well.

and the next pic is just of him the same day

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>>Now the next pic is of my Arancio Phase male. I produced him in 99, maybe 98 I cant remeber. The photo is of him and a sibling at a couple months of age. Today he still holds those colors you see in the below pic true
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>>The next pic is of him and the same sibling. I took these a couple months ago so there is 4 or 5yrs between. These were taken with a crappy digital. I want to redo all his pics as well.
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Jason & Danica
Well, I'm off my rocker, I fell out of my tree, I've been standin' on shaky ground, There's no helping me, yeah, I can't remember my number, I can't remember your name
I can't remember all the trouble I'm in, child....... Well, I'm insane(Ratt, Im Insane)
Classic Dums frozen feeders

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