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This is my newest addition...thanks to draybar I'm the proud new parent of a Creamsicle. Needless to say, I'm tickled pink! Here's the little gem....

It's been a couple of years since my pair of normals were babies and I'd forgotten just how small hatchling corns are. My best friend told me it was a lovely orange spotted worm I'd gotten. lol If this little beauty is anything like my normals were, it won't be small for very long because they were little piglets and grew fast!

Very pretty...jimmy where is mine at??? he is sending me one and in exchange my beardie is prego and i am going to give him about 5 of her babies, after they are establshied. he just doesnt know it yet so dont tell him
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0.1 Albino Cal. King (Fokker)
1.0 Reverse Okeetee Corn (trouble)
0.1 Creamsicle Corn (Spot)
1.1 Bearded Dragons (Bob & Margret)
1.1 Dogs(George and Ladybird) they are rescues.
1.0 Betta
0.1 Wife
0.1 Kid

>>Very pretty...jimmy where is mine at??? You have mail Ken.
Yours will be there Thursday.
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Remember, My posts are MY opinion only!
Jimmy (draybar)

When you don't know the background of the snake, when someone just up and gives you a couple of cornsnakes.... How can you tell if you've been given a creamsicle or a normal albino?

I ask because someone in fact DID give me a couple of corns earlier this year. NO INFO on them. By size I can tell they are '03 hatch. One looks just like my ghost-looking-but-really-just-an-Anery '03 baby, so I'm pretty confident that is what he is. The other one is an Amel.... but I've never seen a baby Amel, just my one reverse okeetee that I acquired as an adult. If the little Amel grows up and breeds, I worry that she might have some creamsicle influence and then I might be selling animals with the wrong label!

I do plan on getting a nice creamsicle male, however, so my biggest plan is to breed her to him as a sort of way to avoid the problem.... if I always breed her to a creamsicle, I will be able to just advertise the babies as creamsicles. If not that, then if I need a mate for my Jurassic Milk (my only hybrid), I might use her, seeing as how her genetics, being unknown, are hopelessly muddled ANYWAY.

Anyway, beautiful beautiful baby!
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~Sasheena

I'm afraid you're asking the class dunce when it comes to corn snake genetics. LOL The thing I'm best at with corns is looking at the adults and thinking "I LIKE that....I think I need one!" Seriously though, from the ones I've seen (and I just looked up a couple of pictures online to be sure I was remembering right), the amels are more red with some yellowish banding between the red blotches where the creamsicles are more orangish with an overall yellow wash. Anybody who knows these things better feel free to jump in and correct me! As for telling the hatchlings apart? I haven't got a clue.

And though I'm biased, I think my new baby is a beauty! *G*

Raven

IMO, a Creamsicle should have AT LEAST 50% or more GPR in it. Unfortunately a lot of people are calling some snakes "Creamsicles" when in fact they are 75% - 90% Cornsnake and very little GPR in them. They should be advertised that they have some GPR in them though, but as Creamsicles????

A GPR has no red in it, they almost look anery, so when they become amel, there isn't any red in them, they are orange instead. Should be orange and white. But people have bred Creamsicles into a WHOLE LOT of corns (more than you think BTW) and hence the different look.

Kerby...

>>Especially in this case.
when you breed two creamsicles together you get creamsicles.
These babies will grow up with orange, yellow and some white. Shouldn't be any red and definitely no black.
but either way. when you have an amel with emoryi blood it is a creamsicle. If you get rid of the name how will you know there is Emoryi in it?
Jimmy

Just because an amel corn has GPR in it does not make it a Creamsicle. The term Creamsicle was first "coined" to describe the appearance of the snake (orange & white), NOT to describe what was in it (corn x GPR). Since then, MOST people who have been around corns KNOW that when the term Creamsicle is used, it is reference to corn x GPR. Newbies do not, hence it is often asked what is a Creamsicle? I do believe that ALL offspring ought to be correctly labeled if other species/sub-species/hybrids, etc... were used.

Unfortunately in this herp industry, animals ARE NOT always represented with honesty.

This year I bred:

Creamsicle x Creamsicle; they will be sold as Creamsicles
Creamsicle x Stripe; they will be sold as double hets (stripe and amel, with the amel coming from Creamsicle)

Just because a corn is an amel and has GPR in it does not make it a Creamsicle IMO

Kerby...

These are from 2001 and 2002. There IS NO RED on them, just orange and white. Amel baby corns have red on them.

From 2001

From 2002

Anery (het amel) dad that bred a Creamsicle female produced normals and amels. These amels have a redish orange in them and are 75% Corn and 25% GPR. Hard to call these "Creamsicles" as they aren't Orange and White as the orange is already turning redder and GPR have no red.

This is just my opinion about the mis-representation in the herp industry, but if you really want to see people misleading what they are selling, just visit the classifieds LOL

Kerby...

Well my little girl looks a LOT like that last picture.... Creamy yellow base color, white outlined medium orange saddles. She's probably an August hatch from last year, or maybe September. She's NOTHING like the first photos of the 50/50 creamsicles though.

This is just my opinion about the mis-representation in the herp industry, but if you really want to see people misleading what they are selling, just visit the classifieds LOL

Oh too true. I've seen some advertisements here and other sites that can blow you away. Saw one advertisement (elsewhere, not here on ks.com) this spring they were advertising as proven breeders their '02 kings who were gravid "again" this year. I found it interesting they were saying this snake had bred at 9 months of age...

I just try to be clear on any snakes I might sell later on. Would hate to misrepresent anything.
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~Sasheena

You trying to say my creamsicles aren't creamsicles?
verify please.

here are the parents

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Remember, My posts are MY opinion only!
Jimmy (draybar)

A Creamsicle is produced by breeding an amel corn to a GPR, producing babies that are 1/2 GPR and 1/2 Corns. Breeding those siblings back to each other to produce some Creamsicles which are still half GPR. When you breed a Creamsicle (1/2 GPR) to other Corn morphs you are diluting the GPR influence and IMO, these shouldn't be call Creamsicles. TO ME, a Creamsicle is 1/2 GPR and 1/2 Corn. Others believe that after many generations of breeding amel corns with GPR in them are called Creamsicles. I do not. They are simply amel corns with GPR in them and ought to be labeled as such. No big deal. I have no idea where your Creamsicles came from and how much GPR is actually in them. I do know what mine are, I produced them.

If someone hatches out Creamsicles from an amel x Creamsicle project and then can't tell which babies are amel and which are Creamsicles and which are inbetween is the point.

Creamsicles IMO are still 50% GPR, you may disagree.

Kerby...

if they have the emoryi blood in them you have to call them creamsicle.
What would you call them if not creamsicles?
creamsicle is a name given to amelanistic corn/emoryi mix.
yes it denotes coloration but it is as much, or more, a name that relays the presence of emoryi blood.
You can't call them amels. That would be misleading. That would insinuate that they are pure corns and not creamsicles.
once again I ask... what would you call them?
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Remember, My posts are MY opinion only!
Jimmy (draybar)

and learn some definitions, because you are severely confused.

**if they have the emoryi blood in them you have to call them creamsicle.**

And what if snows have GPR blood in them still going to call them Creamsicles?? LOL Just because they have some GPR in them DOES NOT make them Creamsicles. Creamsicle is a name to describe what they look like. Here, I'll give you a clue...Orange and white, ya know like the Creamsicle icecream, not because there is GPR in them. Other people are breeding corns that have GPR in them, are YOU going to call ALL OF THEM creamsicles too LOL

**What would you call them if not creamsicles?**

Amels that have GPR in them, what is so hard to grasp THAT???

**creamsicle is a name given to amelanistic corn/emoryi mix.
yes it denotes coloration...**

YES

**but it is as much, or more, a name that relays the presence of emoryi blood.**

Absolutely WRONG, people are breeding GPR into lots of corn morphs, do you still want to call ALL OF THEM Creansicles LOL

**You can't call them amels. That would be misleading.**

You are WRONG again, as amel is a definition that has existed way before the term "creamsicle" came about...apples and oranges...you are still confused.

**once again I ask... what would you call them?**

I already answered that, please pay attention.

What is your problem???

I already told you that this is just my opinion on the whole Creamsicle thing. So you disagree, whoopie-do. And then you went off half-cocked about my comment in reference to the misrepresentations on the classifieds. I never referred to you, but you sure took it that way. You say it was obvious that I was referring to you....care to enlighten us?????????????

Cheers and relax...........

This is just a Creamsicle discussion, take a chill-pill or don't play LOL

Kerby...

I believe Bluerosy has Albino GPR (from Soderberg stock?)

Orange and White

Maybe he could post some pics here?
Thanks

Kerby...

in the pic it almost looks like it's on pine or something, i'm asking because it looks nothing like my aspen and i am wondering if i got the wrong stuff
Demon

I *think* the stuff in the picture is aspen chips (no pine smell) but I don't know for sure, it's just what was in the shipping cup. I actually am keeping the little fellow on paper towels. It makes cleanup easier and I don't have to hunt through the shavings for something so tiny. lol

Raven

>>It is aspen
I am out of the fine shavings and have been using the course shavings
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Remember, My posts are MY opinion only!
Jimmy (draybar)

around here (Richmond, VA area), the aspen comes in 3 different looks - the large chips like those in the deli cup, a shredded version (long slivers) and then the more typical soft shavings that are 'fluffier' (for lack of a better term lol). The pine shavings around here look similar to the fine aspen shavings, but have a distinct pine smell.

Raven

>>It is almost impoissible to tell with some of them.
There just isn't enough of a difference to point at any one or two things that say "creamsicle".
Now some, to me, look pretty obvious but others...no way.
I like your idea of breeding that one with a cream so there won't be any confusion on the offspring.
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Remember, My posts are MY opinion only!
Jimmy (draybar)

What a gorgeous little darling! Congratulations on your new family member, I can't wait till I get mine

Kel

>>This is my newest addition...thanks to draybar I'm the proud new parent of a Creamsicle. Needless to say, I'm tickled pink! Here's the little gem....
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>>It's been a couple of years since my pair of normals were babies and I'd forgotten just how small hatchling corns are. My best friend told me it was a lovely orange spotted worm I'd gotten. lol If this little beauty is anything like my normals were, it won't be small for very long because they were little piglets and grew fast!

Hi Dianne,
I am glad you are happy with the little tyke.
Just let me know if there are any problems, what-so-ever.
Jimmy

Actually, I'm more than happy....I'm absolutely tickled to finally have a Creamsicle. And I don't expect any problems at all...well, except already thinking I should get another one. lol It's obvious to me that you take excellent care of your snakes because this one is just beautiful and in fantastic condition. I thought you'd like to know that it chowed down last night with no problem what-so-ever. I placed a f/t pinky at the opening to the hide and within just a minute or two the pinky started moving as the little creamsicle started devouring it. I am always amazed at how readily any of my corns take prey. Even new acquisitions like the creamsicle hardly seem to take the 'settling in' time that many of my boas and pythons require. Perhaps it's just that I'm conditioned to trying to get species that are difficult feeders to eat (such as my Solomon Island ground boas) and this just seems almost too easy. Either way, I'm one happy camper.

Raven

>>Well, you know where to get another if you want.
Please keep me updated.
thanks
Jimmy

>>>>Well, you know where to get another if you want.

Yep, I sure do! I'll let you know (gotta get it past my other half first! lol).

Raven