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The pet store by my has what they are calling a "Jungle carpet python". Now i come here and i see things like jaya and irian and other things, and im confused. can someone explain the different types to me?
Also, the snake, which is a baby, is beautiful. It is black and yellow, and the black is like velvet, it is so deep that it looks soft to the touch. absolutely beautiful.
Its my understand these carpet pythons get anywhere from 5-9 feet long depending on what type they are. can someone explain to me get only 5 ft long? I would love to have one, but anything over 5 or 6 feet is too much for me.
Thank you in advance.

If I'm correct the males get to around 5ft and the females get to 6ft maybe 7, but not likely so you should be fine! They are great snakes to keep. Depending on the price though you might be more happy buying one from a breeder rather than a pet store. Check out the link below. Will L. produces the best looking Jungles I've seen. And if your going to invest in a snake you should get a great looking one, right. Plus you can be 100% sure that it is full blooded JCP.
Retilicus Reptiles

"irian" and "jaya" are both shortened from irian jaya, which is a locality of carpet python. its the indonesian half of new guinea, which has under gone some changes in name recently, but im not up to date, i have my head buried and filled with snakes soooo. as to size, irians average upto 6 feet, longer has been reported, but its not the average. jungles get larger, 8 feet is not uncommon for a large female jungle, quite a few people have them. and coastal carpet pythons hold the title for longest carpet python, the record being just over 14 feet.

heres the tricky part. until a few years ago all carpets were Morelia spilota variegata. alot of breeding occured, none of it really locality specific, and produced alot of confusion. coupled with australia protecting all of its native species and not allowing export there is now no new blood, which means all of the breeding that went on has muddied the carpet subspecies. so now, in america you will probably never see a "pure" coastal carpet or jungle carpet. even the biggest breeders cant guarentee pureness, except with irian jaya carpet pythons. they are the only carpets in this country that havent been severely interbred with other subspecies. sure there are carpets that have irian blood and jungle blood, but, not nearly as many as there are jungle and coastal, jungle and diamond, coastal and diamond, crosses. there is an exception tho, jaguar coastal carpets (often just called jaguar carpets). they come from a reportedly pure line of coastals...still pricey, nice to look at (but if you ask me NOTHING beats what mother nature puts out with out genetic mutation), and pure. but again, not because of purity, or lineage, but because of quality and care, a breeder is always the way to go.
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Jaymz
"got a bowlin ball in my stomache, got a desert in my mouth. figures that my courage would choose to sell out now..."

It WAS mother nature that made genetic mutations. I don't recall anyone doing DNA manipulation with snakes yet. Interesting...

i phrased that wrong, i should think before i type. im just not a fan of the morph craze, nothing compares to a nice normal animal in my opinion. and to be honest, selective breeding for things like amelanism, piebaldism, even some "normal" appearences are another form of genetic manipulation...just look at wild jungle carpets (well pictures of anyway) and american jungle carpets, theres a world of difference...but still the same snake. id rather have a ton of normal looking snakes than a ton of "investment" snakes. i consider my scrub pythons to be my investment snakes. we all have differing opinions and thats how i look at it.
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Jaymz
"got a bowlin ball in my stomache, got a desert in my mouth. figures that my courage would choose to sell out now..."

if you had read the post i said "NOTHING beats what mother nature puts out without genetic mutation", it would have saved both of us time and energy.
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Jaymz
"got a bowlin ball in my stomache, got a desert in my mouth. figures that my courage would choose to sell out now..."

And that's what I don't get. For some strange reason, people who like wild-type phenotypes the most feel the absolute necessity to tell everyone else this. Why is that? Why is it that you think we care? I'm not trying to get down on you or anything, but it always comes off as so high and mighty. I read 3-5 posts like this a day on various forums. Things like " Well, I like normals way better and people who like morphs bla bla bla"....etc etc etc.

Who the ^%#$!! cares? You like what you like. Fine. Cool. Not everyone needs to know about it. I compliment EVERYONE on their snakes because I'm a fan of snakes in general (and the people who keep them). But I don't put down a group of people or call their passion a "craze" for having different preferences that I do.

Jeff F

first of all, i do not put anyone down, i simply stated that it was my preference, which was one line out of a pretty big post. you talk about other people sounding high and mighty, re-read your posts sometime. i mentioned it in passing, and its my opinion, last i checked i was entitled to it. and actually "getting down on me" is exactly what youre trying to do. and again, i never said anything about anyone else's like or dislike of morphs...really i didnt. i said that, I, myself, am not a fan of them, again my opinion, which last i checked i was still allowed to have.but heres a question, why is it you think anyone else cares if you (or anyone else for that matter) likes or dislikes their snakes? and again i didnt call anyones passion a "craze" i called the "morph craze" a craze, and it is, or have you missed that people are trying to market normal jungle carpets with perfect smiley face head patterns as a new morph? i know im not the only one who saw that ad. or the regular ball pythons people are trying to sell at outrageous prices as "the newest ball python morph. so yes, there is a morph craze...i dont really care who likes morphs, and youll never see me putting anyone down for stating their opinion, as you seem to be quite good at sharing yours and not allowing others to share theirs. and thats it, im done with this topic. i have my opinion, you have yours, only difference, im not putting anyone down for sharing theirs.

peace
J
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Jaymz
"got a bowlin ball in my stomache, got a desert in my mouth. figures that my courage would choose to sell out now..."

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Jungle, Irian Jaya, Coastal (3 most popular ones) are all different subspecies. colour, pattern, and size are different throughout..

the only subspecies that wont get over 5-6 feet is the Irian Jaya... Jungles generally range from 6-8 or so.. females get larger (so people say)... ummm... and the one you saw in the store sounds like a jungle to me. probably labeled correctly. make sure it's healthy.. no mites, respiratory infections, etc

wow, thank you everyone for helping me out. I would never buy an animal from the petstore i saw this snake at, i think they are very cruel, and uneducated, and unfortunately, all their animals are sick.
I would definately stick to a breeder, or a more reputable petshop if i were to get one.
What would a good price for a JCP be? they were charging 200 dollars. is this about on par with what breeder charge after shipping?

Close, your looking at probably 250 to 300 for a pick of the litter plus shipping from a top breeder.
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