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news story

Steve H Jul 05, 2004 06:04 AM

Two of the deadliest snakes in the world and a cobra that can spit venom up to 8 feet were found Thursday in a Bismarck apartment.

Andrew Greff said he came home Thursday afternoon to find police officers rummaging through his apartment at 306 N. 13th St. Bismarck Police Lt. Dan Donlin said they had a search warrant to look forsix snakes that were living there in aquariums and a plastic tub.

In an interview from jail, Greff, 21, said he and a friend, Doug Feist, 27, bought an East African green mamba, a death adder, an albino monocle cobra and a yellow-bellied racer from an Internet site. UPS delivered them to his apartment. Greff and Feist also had a bullsnake and a rattlesnake that they caught south of Mandan. All but the mamba were in the apartment for more than a month.

Greff said he and the Florida company he bought the snakes from checked North Dakota state law and there was nothing prohibiting poisonous snakes. But Greff forgot to check out Bismarck's regulations.

A Bismarck ordinance prohibits "dangerous animals" in city limits. Bismarck Animal Warden Lynnette Jacobs said four poisonous snakes -- the mamba, adder, rattlesnake and cobra -- are considered dangerous and were seized. The bullsnake and the racer were not poisonous and were left behind.

Greff and Feist were charged Friday with reckless endangerment for putting their neighbors in danger, Burleigh County Assistant State's Attorney Julie Lawyer said. Greff is being held in the Burleigh County jail on a $500 cash bond, and an arrest warrant was issued for Feist.

The adder and the mamba are among the top 11deadliest snakes in the world -- police say they're ranked 10 and 11, but Greff said they're ranked two and three. Greff also disputed officers' claims that the cobra could spit venom.

Zoo Director Jerry Lincoln said he was called to help transport the animals to the zoo. Lincoln and the officers duct-taped the covers of the snake containers shut and loaded them into a pickup. The snakes are now in a secure location at the zoo, off limits to the public.

The zoo has no plans to keep the poisonous snakes or show them to the public because of strict regulations. To display poisonous snakes, the zoo would need an alarm system directly connected to a local hospital, a hospital staff properly trained to handle snake bites and anti-venom on hand.

"Visitors can't see them because it's an open court case, and we don't want to expose the public to a potentially dangerous situation," Lincoln said.

Authorities found out about the poisonous snakes from a biologist at Bismarck State College. She called the police department after her co-worker identified the green mamba for Feist.

The snakes were shipped to Bismarck from Florida by Zoological Imports 2000. The Florida company told investigators that they sold the pets to Feist.

Greff said he wants his pets back. He spent more than $1,500 on the snakes and cages, and he dished out a dollar a mouse to feed them. Greff said if he gets the snakes back, he'll move them to his parents' farm north of Mott, if his parents don't object.

Greff became interested in snakes when he and Feist caught two snakes south of Mandan and bought the exotic breeds because "they're really pretty." When asked if he ever planned to set the snakes loose, Greff said, "That would be crazy. It never crossed my mind."

He said the mamba was the only snake to escape and although it moved "really quick" Greff and Feist caught it when it went under a bed. Greff said no one has been bitten by the snakes.

"I live near the hospital, so I wasn't worried," he said.

here is the url for the story... www.bismarcktribune.com/arti...local/nws03.txt

Replies (13)

budman 1st Jul 05, 2004 06:47 AM

And zooalogical sent them ups? wow!
what a deal ups might be cheaper than delta.
lol
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Bud

taphillip Jul 05, 2004 08:54 AM

This is the guy I had mentioned in my other posting below, "venomous dealers out of control"
This guy was smart enough to not tell me truthfully where he lived.....but then again, he also put a mamba in a sweater box to take around town to "show and tell...and touch" with friends...
Well, I'm finishing my coffee and now have to drive 5 hours north to go pick them up and drive 5 hours back with them.
The funny thing is, I told that guy the first time I talked to him that those snakes would end up here....
terry
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It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts!

Terry Phillip
Curator of Reptiles
Black Hills Reptile Gardens

www.reptilegardens.com

eunectes4 Jul 05, 2004 11:02 AM

that is really dangerous and could potentially hurt a lot of people. Why not ship with a company that ships venomous?

budman 1st Jul 05, 2004 04:07 PM

If its true they were shipped UPS THe persons at the place he ordered them will be busted for breaking the lacy act!
Since its known Its zoological in south fl.
This will be another blow to the trade.
Yes The dealers are out of control nobody in their right mind would have sold snakes to those fools.
time to lock some of these fools up since they will break any law they feel like to make a few bucks.
the super collector went down for exactly the same type violation.
The sad fact is many hot dealers get away with this crap.
I wonder if they ship ups spitters to cali?
hots days are numbered!
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Bud

Venom17 Jul 05, 2004 04:46 PM

Yeah people do dumb stuff but everyone is so negative here it is getting beyond rediculous. Most states do have good permit systems in place. Even if your state you live in did ban venomous reptiles or any reptile for that matter, would you give them up? I dont think so. I know for one I wouldn't give up my animals at all. I love Florida's permit system because we hardly ever have any major problems like people ordering hots they have no business keeping or any other problems that seem to draw attention. We all know the news always twists and screws up the stories. I'm very willing to bet that Zoological DID NOT ship them via UPS. Hopefully this will all clear up for the best and thank God know one wasn't hurt. I think we just need to be more positive instead of the negativity of its the "end of the hot keeping days" or "your states next".

Joe

rthomse Jul 05, 2004 05:13 PM

Could someone direct me to information on the Lacy Act.

budman 1st Jul 05, 2004 05:58 PM

also there are regs against using non aproved shippers such as ups for hots

The Lacey Act also makes it illegal to mislabel wildlife shipments, bring injurious species into the country, and import live wildlife under inhumane conditions.

Those who knowingly violate the Lacey Act face maximum penalties of up to five years in prison and fines as high as $250,000 for individuals and $500,000 for organizations.

Civil penalties may run as high as $10,000.

Those convicted of felony offenses under the Lacey Act may be required to forfeit vehicles, aircraft, vessels, or other equipment used to commit the crime in addition to any fish, wildlife, or plants involved.

do a google search or go to us fish and wildlife
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Bud

thesnakeman Jul 05, 2004 09:24 PM

This is exactly the type of thing the National Herp society could work to prevent by educating Herp owners and breeders, and importers not to do. By having classes or seminars at the herp shows. Just to make more people sign up, have guest speakers, and show some nice animals, maybe have a little show. But herd them guys in there, and teachem how to be responsible, and as safe as possible. We don't have a constitutional ammendment to protect us. We only have each other.
Tony.

eunectes4 Jul 06, 2004 09:40 AM

that sounds like a good idea...if some people can get show hosts to go for it. speakers can talk all about dumb things like this that hurt us. its almost like any snake publicity is bad publicity so we need to stay out of the media.

budman 1st Jul 06, 2004 05:18 PM

Terry are there any updates?
Do you know if its true they were shipped UPS?
Or has there been a retraction.
This only proves some hot dealers are nuts and out of control!
Image
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Bud

Jul 07, 2004 10:12 PM

GRAND FORKS HERALD (N Dakota) 06 July 04 Venomous snakes confiscated by Bismarck police have new home
Bismarck, N.D. - Four venomous snakes that police confiscated from an apartment in this city last week have been taken to Reptile Gardens in Rapid City, S.D.
The East African green mamba, a rattlesnake, death adder and spitting cobra initially were taken to Dakota Zoo in Bismarck. Reptile Gardens curator Terry Phillip picked them up Monday.
A city ordinance prohibits residents from owning animals that could be dangerous because of a poisonous bite or sting. Phillip said having venomous snakes around with no anti-venom is unwise.
He said he has been dealing with poisonous snakes for years and knows how to handle them, but he's still cautious around the reptiles.
"I try to remain as calm as possible," he said.
Venomous snakes confiscated by Bismarck police have new home

Chance Jul 05, 2004 11:14 AM

>>The adder and the mamba are among the top 11deadliest snakes in the world -- police say they're ranked 10 and 11, but Greff said they're ranked two and three. Greff also disputed officers' claims that the cobra could spit venom.

Well this is pretty amazing. How many incidents with venomous snakes have occurred in the past 6 months? Simply put: too many. Too bad though in this situation (like most), they had their facts mixed up to try and further the "danger level" of these snakes. Then the idiot keeper had to go and try to brag about how dangerous his snakes are (erroneously so), probably only furthering the officers' desire to remove them from his custody.

With all of these situations occuring left and right, it's no wonder states are beginning to look to more and more restrictive laws regarding dangerous "pet" ownership. I'm just curious how long it will be until the federal government takes a look at it.
-Chance

thesnakeman Jul 06, 2004 11:26 PM

The humane society won't leave them alone about it. How can they NOT be looking at it. Again,...we need a NATIONAL HERP. SOC. to counteract the dammage they are doing.
Tony.

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