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Okee Dokee,...

thesnakeman Jul 06, 2004 11:17 PM

No problem,...your right, I do need to cool my jets a bit. You can be my "good" voice. the one that keeps me in line. You just have to be able to yell louder than the other voices I hear. LoL!

Any way, sorry about that, I just get fired up when I know we need to get busy. Like I said in an earlier post, " I got way too much ambition". I get fired up when I think about what is happening. And it's very hard for me to ajust my level of tact, and mannors to what is generaly considerd good behaiviour. Another reason I should'nt lead this thing. Nope I would not want to be in charge.

Why should any one stand with me? Because, like me or not, there are thousands of guys like me out there. And we just all need to say "who cares weather we like the guy standing next to us or not. As long as we stand together, it just dosen't matter.

I know that It would be nice to belong to a local herp society, but we realy don't have one. The closest one is about,...well I guess they are all well over one hundred miles away. Our address is 40&Plum. {40 miles from nowhere, and Plum back in the sticks!} We did belong to the St. Louis one for a while, but what with the traffic, and the price of gas,... well, it just got to be too much. Had to cut a number of things including my subscript to reptile mag.{BUMMER} Oh well. Gotta keep this boat a floatn some how.

Oh ya,...the list. Hmmm, The National Rifle Association has a list. They use it on a regular basis to fight the powers that be, in their efforts to take away our right to keep and bear arms. And so far have been successful. If the government wants a list, they will get one. One way or the other. Weather WE have one or not. And if WE do not have our list together, and WE are not united, they will be able to use their list, after they pass all their new legislation, to come to our homes, and take what they please. Thats just the way it is. On the other hand, if WE all step up to the plate now, we will have a list first, and we can use it. Heck,... talk to the folks at the N.R.A. I'd be currious to see how they would address this particular issue. Tell ya what,... I will volunteer to be the first person on that there list. How bout them apples?
Tony.

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thecaiman Jul 09, 2004 01:31 AM

>>Oh ya,...the list. Hmmm, The National Rifle Association has a list. They use it on a regular basis to fight the powers that be, in their efforts to take away our right to keep and bear arms. And so far have been successful. If the government wants a list, they will get one. One way or the other. Weather WE have one or not. And if WE do not have our list together, and WE are not united, they will be able to use their list, after they pass all their new legislation, to come to our homes, and take what they please. Thats just the way it is. On the other hand, if WE all step up to the plate now, we will have a list first, and we can use it. Heck,... talk to the folks at the N.R.A. I'd be currious to see how they would address this particular issue. Tell ya what,... I will volunteer to be the first person on that there list. How bout them apples?
>>Tony.

Look man were fighting for the same thing, fighting among oursleves is pointless. Just under stand this we have a right to bare arms, we do not have a right to bare snakes, according to the gov us keeping snakes is a privilage and one thats they are taking away at a fast pace, if a herp society wants to step up to the plate I am all for a list, the gov is not going to get that list from a legal non profit entity easlily(i.e. the NRA), from one of us they could rather easy and that list would become a target list for things to follow, in private hands its not a good idea!! Look at that NY law, READ IT, they gave any legal organization for the ethical treatment of animals the right to enforce that law(if it passes) do you know what that means??????? HSUS, PETA the local Humane societies will have the right to confiscat anyones animals, what do you think they would do if they found a list like that in someones home????? They would have a hay day and go after every single person on the list, Why??? #1 because PETA and what not want to control all of us they dont see eye to eye with, #2 it would stregthen their cause when they try and push the same law in other states, they could show the politicions all they good they are doing catching us evil exotic owning law breakers #3 they can also use it to their advatage because they can show the other states how much in tax dollars they saved NY because the enforcment of that law was on their dime and not the states, dont you get it? good intentions dude, you need to talk to some people who know, call up Marshal Myers from PIJAC and see what he thinks of this, call Jeff Barringer the owner of ksnake and see what he thinks, it has absolutly noting to do with me being the loudest voice, the list is a bad idea, the rest is as simple as this everything you have stated you wanted to do has been tried before, im trying to save you time, I honestly wish you the best of luck, but its not going to work, your time would be better spent trying to set up an information network to speed up communication amomng the herp socities and already established lines of communication,(big buisness, shows etc)I wanted to do the same thing last year, unlike you I spoke to people who were in the "know" talk to them and theyll tell you the same thing I am, anyway I have more important things in life then this pointless bickering so enjoy the fire, best of luck, i mean that!
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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)


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thecaiman Jul 09, 2004 01:35 AM

>>>>Oh ya,...the list. Hmmm, The National Rifle Association has a list. They use it on a regular basis to fight the powers that be, in their efforts to take away our right to keep and bear arms. And so far have been successful. If the government wants a list, they will get one. One way or the other. Weather WE have one or not. And if WE do not have our list together, and WE are not united, they will be able to use their list, after they pass all their new legislation, to come to our homes, and take what they please. Thats just the way it is. On the other hand, if WE all step up to the plate now, we will have a list first, and we can use it. Heck,... talk to the folks at the N.R.A. I'd be currious to see how they would address this particular issue. Tell ya what,... I will volunteer to be the first person on that there list. How bout them apples?
>>>>Tony.
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>>Look man were fighting for the same thing, fighting among oursleves is pointless. Just under stand this we have a right to bare arms, we do not have a right to bare snakes, according to the gov us keeping snakes is a privilage and one thats they are taking away at a fast pace, if a herp society wants to step up to the plate I am all for a list, the gov is not going to get that list from a legal non profit entity easlily(i.e. the NRA), from one of us they could rather easy and that list would become a target list for things to follow, in private hands its not a good idea!! Look at that NY law, READ IT, they gave any legal organization for the ethical treatment of animals the right to enforce that law(if it passes) do you know what that means??????? HSUS, PETA the local Humane societies will have the right to confiscat anyones animals, what do you think they would do if they found a list like that in someones home????? They would have a hay day and go after every single person on the list, Why??? #1 because PETA and what not want to control all of us they dont see eye to eye with, #2 it would stregthen their cause when they try and push the same law in other states, they could show the politicions all they good they are doing catching us evil exotic owning law breakers #3 they can also use it to their advatage because they can show the other states how much in tax dollars they saved NY because the enforcment of that law was on their dime and not the states, dont you get it? good intentions dude, you need to talk to some people who know, call up Marshal Myers from PIJAC and see what he thinks of this, call Jeff Barringer the owner of ksnake and see what he thinks, it has absolutly noting to do with me being the loudest voice, the list is a bad idea, the rest is as simple as this everything you have stated you wanted to do has been tried before, im trying to save you time, I honestly wish you the best of luck, but its not going to work, your time would be better spent trying to set up an information network to speed up communication amomng the herp socities and already established lines of communication,(big buisness, shows etc)I wanted to do the same thing last year, unlike you I spoke to people who were in the "know" talk to them and theyll tell you the same thing I am, anyway I have more important things in life then this pointless bickering so enjoy the fire, best of luck, i mean that!
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>>Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)
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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)


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thesnakeman Jul 15, 2004 10:34 AM

WOW! Sorry if I have offended you. Not my intention. I simply differ in opinion. I simply beleive that if we get it together, the list or who has it, will be irrelevent. I understand that we do not have the RIGHT to keep and bear herps. But there is power in numbers. If we get it together, we will be able to stop the bad laws. Then they won't have a need to come to my or your' doorstep looking for our herps in the first place. And weather we all sign onto a "LIST" or not, GUESS WHAT, they already have a list. So when the law passes because we wasted our time arguing, they won't need our list anyway. That is my opinion. Any one who agrees, would be welcome aboard, along with anyone who dosen't.
Tony.
Tony.

thecaiman Jul 16, 2004 12:18 AM

You havnt offended me in the slightest I am just trying to save you some time. I dont see how when several people with money to get it started and the conections couldnt make it work how someone out of the blue is going to. Your wasting your time but feel free. I dont know what it is with reptile people but for some reaosn many just never want to get involved if it means taking more then 10 minutes out of their week to write a letter(which is apreciated). No one wants to cough up the cash(alot of us are broke) or devote the time to really getting anything done, the ship cant be run by one person. Oh and by the way why dont you work with the other guy who has the national herp society thats really going no where. Maybe the two of you can make it go somewhere. Yes there is someone else out there with a national herp society. So instead of trying to start your own why dont you try and help him get his working???? Let me know what happens Im not going to do anything for the time, if you can make the society work, great! If not when you give up let me know and Ill go foward with my idea, no point in several of us contacting herp societies all trying to do differant things. All that will do is ad confusion and thats the last thing any of us need.
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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating/Can't find a good reason, can't find hope to believe in/...You can't change the state of the nation we just need/ some motivation...So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating(Sum41 Still Waiting)


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thesnakeman Jul 16, 2004 09:01 PM

n/p

thecaiman Jul 16, 2004 10:35 PM

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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating/Can't find a good reason, can't find hope to believe in/...You can't change the state of the nation we just need/ some motivation...So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating(Sum41 Still Waiting)


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