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Here are a few pics of the Ebony that was just hatched out.

This snake is the Result of breeding the original male Yellowbelly/Lemon Ball to a proven genetic Granite female.

There was a yellowbelly and a granite in the clutch aswell.

Here are a couple pics of the Ebony.

Another shot..........

Jared Horenstein
R.P.R.

The pics didnt work for some reason.....so here is one of them.

Jared Horenstein

Nice!!!!
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

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My friend produced these snakes......im just the proud photographer.

Jared

"nice" is it the only one in the clutch and are thay A.S.F ANIMALS

No, it was not us that produced this little gem. I wish I could say I had even the smallest part in doing so. I didn't even come up with that very cool name. I like it Jared! You can take the credit on that one buddy. I have not seen the snake in person as of yet. But as stated below it is a product of Amir's animals here in Miami. He had some help, Ben. That's why Ben was able to post this little beauty.
Jared and I are working very hard to reproduce his fine little yellow belly. Once his offspring resemble himself then we can and will figure out the rest in time.

Blizzard Ball? I see no pics.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

Here is another shot.

Jared Horenstein

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CB

"I post because I'm bored"

That’s an awesome snake!!

I thought the yellow bellies were het Ivory ???

These genetics lately are getting crazy, it’s exciting to see what will come next.

congrats, and good luck with future projects
TomChambers

It's kind of like the pewter combination of pastel and cinnamon in the genetic questions it creates. Does this ebony mean that granite and yellow belly are related or is this just how they interact? I guess we'll know better when this (guy?) grows up and breeds. If it doesn't produce any normals bred to a normal but only either granites or yellow bellies then it will appear that granite and yellow belly are either alleles (different mutations of the same gene) or at least mutations of genes that are closely linked by being on the same chromosome and that the ebony doesn't have a normal copy of the yellow belly/granite gene or chromosome respectively to give. If it is linking and not alleles then eventually an ebony should produce a normal or an ebony bred to a normal but it might take a long time depending on how closely they are linked. If the ebony produces 1:4 normals and 1:4 ebonys bred to a normal (along with 1:4 yellow bellies and 1:4 granites) then we'll figure that ebony is the combination of mutations in two separate genes on different chromosomes.

So, what information is available on the genetics of the granite line used to produce the ebony? I guess it looks to be “some sort of dominant” like the yellow belly since there was also a yellowbelly and a granite in this clutch. I heard something like that a pair of these granites was bred together and produced all granites but it could still be co-dominant and if that was a small clutch it just missed out on producing normals or supers (i.e. homozygous granite) or of course granite could be completely dominant. Has the granite male been breed to a normal yet? If he produces any normals then we will know that he isn't homozygous granite either (assuming he is even the same thing as the female who apparently isn't homozygous to produce the non granite yellow belly baby).

Fun project! Congratulations to the owner.

Randy, you are into your genetics.
As always it's a pleasure to read your post, very informative, well written, and still the possibilities leave you wondering.

TomChambers

Its been said that if you breed 2 yellowbellies together you get an Ivory.......thats like breeding 2 Pastels together and getting a super pastel.......well if you breed a pastel to another co-dom you get a cross.....same thing here....he bred it to a genetic line of granite and got a cross between the two....

Jared H

I guess I was sleeping on the granite balls, I didn't know they were codom.
I never payed them enough attention, until now.
wow what a cross.
Thanks for clearing that up
TomChambers

I hope you are right. There is something going on with the yellow bellies for sure, I just doubt they will all produce a white snake. Good luck, and I hope I am wrong.
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CB

"expertise is measured by time, but never 100% correct"

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Jay A. Martin

It's quite puzzling what you will get from breeding this to that pretty cool though.

Congradulations!

Steve
www.serpentsden.com

LOL....I love Paul McC...

Very, very interesting Jared.....and a nice choice of name! That ebony is exactly the opposite of the ivory that that the yellowbelly supposedly produces, right? Yellow stripe and all...

....and that would mean that YB and Granite are linked somehow....DAMNIT....I should've bought all the granites I could while they were $100 each...

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Pretty neat. Good for Amir, he is on a lucky streak right now.
And we all thought what we could do with granites? ell Amir finally shoed us what can happen. Now to mix with all the other weird stuff he has, oh man.....i think well see more cool things if all goes well.
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"Quality isn't Quality without customer service so I guess I sell quality"

some good purchases last year in Daytona...eh Jared!

MJ
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www.ballpython.ca

Here is one shot of the female I snagged up.

Jared H

ROYAL PYTHON REPTILES

She is a very neat looking snake.

Jared H

Do you have any pics of the ebony laid out?
If you do can you post them?

Thanks

Very cool pics Jared, thanks for posting them. It's amazing what you can come up with, I would have never guessed.

Mark

>>Here are a few pics of the Ebony that was just hatched out.
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>>This snake is the Result of breeding the original male Yellowbelly/Lemon Ball to a proven genetic Granite female.
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>>There was a yellowbelly and a granite in the clutch aswell.
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>>Here are a couple pics of the Ebony.
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>>Another shot..........
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>>Jared Horenstein
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This is definately the year of the black! First the Black Boa, now the Black Ball. Sweet deal we are seeing the future and it looks good.
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Violette Garcia
www.shakahnsgrove.com (Coming Soon!)
Yes I know it's in webmaster's 'shop'.

Do you have pics of the parents?

I want to see pics of the clutch and the parents....I don't know I'm just so skeptical of this yellow bellie granite crap....I need some solid proof other than just an animal that looks like alot of the cooler imports some people have been bringing in.....

I saw the parents in person, both classic granite and classic looking yellowbelly.
The person who produced the Ebony Ball was Amir. He was the first person to breed yellowbelly to normal and produce yellowbellies in the co-dom sense.
He has produced a few thisyear as well. And crossed the yellowbelly to a granite with striping. Well almost every baby came out almost fully striped and there were those, and normal yellowbellies. So it seems like it is to co-dom genes, or a co-dom(yellowbelly) and a dom-granite as almost all came out like mom to an extent.
Mike
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"Quality isn't Quality without customer service so I guess I sell quality"

This is not the best of pics....but she was not in the "mood" for having her pic taken....

This female is one of the nicest granites I have seen.........and she is a proven Genetic breeder. I will get some pics of the clutch mates...We are just waiting for them all to shed.

Hope this helps.

Jared Horenstein