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Just wondering if anyone is working with these, have not heard of or seen any in a long time.

and a possible het/albino Florida female that I just aquired recently. I'm going to breed them next spring.

Male Fl. Albino

Female (poss. het/albino)

but that female looks like she's got Cal King in her. Just looking at the head anyway.

Two GREAT looking snakes!

There are a number of breeders working with the albino FL kings and a few working with the easterns. I don't know why, but I'm not sold on the purity of either 100%. I guess it's because in the past Cal king and speckled king were used by some to introduce the albino gene. With all the outbreeding by now, I'm sure many are very close to 100% FL or eastern, but I'm not sure just who has the best these days. I have seen some very nice looking FL kings lately and I'm sure you'll get some help here. Recently I purchased a het from an out of state breeder and I feel sure there's some Cal influence in that snake. Just look them over carefully and pick a reputable breeder. Good luck.
:Mark

I know most that are breeding the albino chains are highly reputable breeders,including myself,lol. I know I have done my homework on these as most have...these can be traced back to the wc animal quite easily still as they are only to the f2/f3 level.The floridas have been around a bit longer and I too have heard rumors with the crossbreedings in the past.Stick with reputable breeders and you cant go wrong,thanks,Jeff

.... I had also heard that an albino eastern was collected in an area where there are possibly naturally occurring intergrades. Unfortunately, that is everything I had learned and haven't heard another word about it. Have any info on that snake?
:Mark

Though the area of collection is in question,the original animal was sold to Kevin at NERD who produced the first hets before losing the original animal.Kevin sold them off to Tom Chaing on NY and he has been the primary breeder of the morph.I believe the first albinos were offered from him less than 3-4 years ago.Correct me if I am wrong,Jeff

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Terry D. bought the original group for the originator who lived in KY. Terry?

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I have no idea. That's why I asked.
Thanks.
:Mark

I thought the albino Eastern King strain was traced back to a WC animal that was brought into a pet store by an unknown person that found it in Eastern Tennessee where Easterns really aren't even found. That is very questionable to me. I remember hearing that it was a kid that found it too.

Hello I am raising up several hets produced by this albino eastern and a very orange and black GA eastern. Hopefully we will see some orange chained albino easterns next summer. Take care.

Will

That looks like an alibino Fl King almost. So many bands...I think it has over 50. And they're so close together.

agreed no offense but that animal just doesnt look like pure eastern to me from that pic,do you have the lineage and who produced that animal?,regardless it is a beauty just doesnt look pure getula to me looks like some floridana in there somewhere down the line,,,peace
thomas davis

Hey guys,

As the history was revealed to me 4 or 5 years ago:

The snake was hatched in a NYS pet shop from a normal appearing pair of easterns from unknown locale/lineage. The animal was then sold to a NY herp dealer. A friend of mine got word of the snake and told me, becasue it seemed that I was the only one in the world (NY anyway) that was interested in easterns. I contacted the dealer and after seeing several pictures, purchased the baby.

By this point, 1999/2000, I had many, many years experience (20+) keeping many eastern kings and most of the other subspecies of getula as well. So I new what easterns should look like. This albino baby did, and still does look as pure an eastern as any I had seen. I agree with you fellas, it does have a high band count, but over the years I had seen and maintained several known pure easterns with band counts over fifty. In fact in my Jerseys alone, I have a band range from 46 to 51 currently. Of my NJs pipping today the band count will be the first thing I check (LOL). Honestly, with all of the variation I have seen in eastern kings since, a high band count would be the least surprising pattern variation to me.

Also, I made it clear to the dealer back then I that I would like first crack at the parents and any other albiono offspring that were hatched, however I was not able to acquire any more snakes from this lineage and I don't believe any other albinos were produced from this pairing.

Here is another pic, one which I believe better reflects the pattern of the snake. Interestingly, most of his offspring look very much like their S. GA mother, including the wide, low band count and orange color. Next season should be interesting when he and his het sons are bred to the het girls.

I wish there was more concrete documentation on the origins of all of the albino easterns out there. Lord nows, Keith and Terry certainly did some hard core investigative work in tracking the known information down and piecing it together. I'll reveal the history, as it is known to me, to anyone interested in acquiring these snakes in the future. When they ask me if I'm 100% sure that these are pure eastern kings, I'll honestly tell them no, because with the slight historical info I have, that would be impossible. However, I will also tell them that, as the eastern king's #1 fan, I honestly believe that they are pure easten kings. The customer can take that for what it is worth and decide.

Oh yeah, I've seen lots of albino Fla. & brooksi kings and all of them have been the lavender, or T+ type albino. I've never seen an amelanistic (white) Fla. king. I didn't know such a strain existed, however, I would love to see one if they are around. Good conversation guys. Peace.

Will

There actually is a T- amel Floridana. I'm not certain, but I think the strain was first bred by Lloyd Lemke. I've seen the pics and they look like floridana to me.....very cool snakes.

Brandon Osborne

Thanks Brandon,

I'd love to see a pic of a true amel Fla. or brooksi. It must have been a stunner.

Will

Love that snake! Would like to get in touch with you next summer if you get any hatchlings.