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My firts Cr. collaris male is verry old and tired.
He is in his last days now.
I'm happy to have him al the years.
He maked a lot of hatchlings.
Below a photo in his glorius days.

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Peter Bloemberg
(The Dutchman)
Dutch collaris site

Is the throat swelling recent? Is it an abscess? and edema?

Fabian

Now, on this picture is he in his best way.
His throat is verry normal here.
It's to get impres the females.
So, on this picture he is not ill.
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Peter Bloemberg
(The Dutchman)
Dutch collaris site

the gular sagging is to attract females?I've had several females do it,maybe its just me but the females seem to do it more when at rest or when they "seem" tired?the whole collared experience can be very confusing sometimes!!Either way it doesnt seem to affect there health

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jason

Yes thats true.
This male was getting the sagging eats year again.
It was comming in the 2e month after the hibernation, and its was gone after the summer.
Some times he blowed it up verry big.
you had to see it when he was mad on a other male.
Some times I put them together for a few minnits for making them mad about eatchother and so they getting horny of the females.
Terratory feeling is the result.
Males getting layse whem there is nothing to fiht for.

It was the only male who's getting it so big.
The other males also get it, but not so big.
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Peter Bloemberg
(The Dutchman)
Dutch collaris site

a bit competition!But how to stir up the females,there just not interested even after brumation of about 2 months?Strange creatures hahahahahhahaha.Love your collared room,all the vivs look good,cant see close enough to comment on your collareds but i suspect there very nice indeed!
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jason

..it seems to be a familial trait in some strains of collareds. I have seen it more often in females, though. We have a precise way of referring to it as the HSST or:

"Hangly scraggly sackly thing"

For the right price I won't reveal who coined that one.

DonC.
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I've got the blues...LOL...them screamin' yellow-head blues...

My collareds also display using their "gular pouch," I had just never seen one so pronounced as the one in the picture. Maybe it's just the angle, but it looks as if it were a large mass, rather than just extended muscles...

Fabian

The picture does make it look like some accumulated fluids or something. The gular mating/territorial or warning display seen in crots is mechanical as far as I can tell, caused by movement of the "second ceratobranchials" and not by inflation. I suppose there is some individual variation in the elasticity of the tissue which would affect the ability of the skin to rebound to its normal position. The females I referred to do not seem to distend/depress the gular to the point it would cause this laxity, they appear to have excess 'flabby' skin in this area, while others do not. I can't really think of anything this would be 'good for' LOL.

-DC
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I've got the blues...LOL...them screamin' yellow-head blues...

throat,but its more triangular in shape when she does this,then theres the relaxed sagging,2 different then yes?It looks like when there relaxed its just the weight of the toungue bearing down on the highly flexible neck?no.Just curious as the threat display and the saggy gular seem different to me
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jason

How many years and months and days did he live?

I don't know.
It was a adult male when I bought him.
I think he's about 11 years.
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Peter Bloemberg
(The Dutchman)
Dutch collaris site