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I really want an Albino Boa, but I would like to produce one myself. I already have a female BCC baby, and I want to get a male and raise them for a few years and breed the hopefully. What kind of male do I need to look for in order to get an albino? I'm a newb when I comes to this, but do I need to get one that is 100% het? Will a 50% or 66% not give any albino's at all? Sorry for such a basic question...

Just kidding. You will need either a pair of 100% hets....or an albino and a 100% het.

Take care, Chris
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LOL! So what you are saying is that if I want to get an albino, I would need to buy 2 more that are 100% het, the girl I have now would be useless?

np
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Not sure if that's what you're getting at. I guess it kind of rubs me the wrong way. Caught me funny, that the guy who 1st got the Sharp strain going, doesn't even breed that strain anymore. Do you know what happened to the legit Suri albino wc 2 years ago?
Matt Schubarth

Jeremy Stone was telling me about it a few weeks ago...but I don't remember where the progress is or who has it because I was busy peeing my pants admiring his snakes...

I actually contacted Brian about his strain this year, and like you said, he told me he wasn't working with them anymore....that he was only working with BCC x Original strain crosses.

Integration between BCC and BCI doesn't bother me. Crossing with Hogg's does...but I brought it up because I wasn't really sure why the original poster did...or if he was getting the two confused.

If he wants to cross Boa ssp., that's certainly well within his rights...but if he wants to produce an albino, I think he should buy a pair of unrelated hets....that will get him there in 2-3years.

Your right, if "Sharp strain" was instead "Olson strain"...you could pry that project from my cold dead hand...

Thanks, Chris Olson
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I know there are probably no 100% pure BCC's, I'm still coming to grips with that. And here I am with those Argy crosses of my buddies.. such a hypocrit. I'd have to agree on the Hogg deal too. I would be less bother by it as long as cross boas were easy to identify. I'm just scraching my head as to why there is no boa registry.
Matt Schubarth

I've dealt witht the AKC for years while I was breeding and showing dogs. Since there is no competition (in America anyway), they have gotten rather tyranical.. I like the idea of a registry, but I don't know If I want to pay constantly rising fees, progessively new fees, and have one more thing to control everything I do. Sometimes a good thing can go too far, we see that happen all the time...The road to Hades was paved with good intentions...
The question is...how much policing do we want in our lives...one more notch in big brother's belt...Can we reign in what we've started or will it run us over? Much to ponder...
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I guess I'm going to vascilate on the cross breeding a bit here so bear with me. I like all of the color morphs and the various ways that the hobby gets these things done. What would it matter, with most of the color morphs, if they were made by cross breeding? It doesn't. There's a market, so its good for the hobby. For people like me that would still like to believe(if only in a delusion), in the pure BCC, I think a registry would be a good thing. I'm sure you know that AKC does manditory genetic tests on sires that have fathered a certain # of litters. I thought that it was about time. A lot of pure bred dogs are obviously some kind of mutt. I would like to see BCC's microchiped, too. This is my cut on it, I'll use pure bred dogs as an example. People get a particular breed because they like a quirk, color, mannerism, or whatever. By having an oversite, like AKC, it insures buyer confidence. And sure, there are plenty of ways to circumvent other registries... like the UKC- but with a genetic test that is less of a problem. If anything it would give consistency to locality animals, Peruvians, Suri, Hoggs, Argys. I guess for now a honor policy would have to do but I'd be a start. I'm thinking of the earlier post about the Suriname albinos, cross breeding them to BCI albinos has taken something away from the pure Suri albino that were just recently discovered. How will we tell the fakes from the real deal?
Respectfully-
Matt Schubarth
Pet Nebula
2100 Stephens #116
Missoula, Montana 59801
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PS- I know the last thing we need is more big brother, but this is not big brother.

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and they are very valid. But as you stated, I knew unsavory breeders who knew their way around the system, making it a mockery. Even with the blood tests and such, it is still very much an honor system (the AKC). The problem being is they really have a monopoly. So, prices went up yearly and more fees were being added. If your dog sires more than 7 litters...more fees....Why? Because they could do it. There was no competition. Do we want to end up being charged for breeding boas as well (not just a yearly license)? You may think it is out of the realm of possiblity, but it is not. Organizations are human, they become very gluttonous.
With this forum, if you don't like the rules there are other alternative forums (granted not as far reaching yet, but the option is there)...with the registry, there is no other American alternative. On the other hand, I've had friends messed over by the registry, when it should not have happened. Don't get me wrong, so long as I was breeding and showing dogs I used the registry...I had to or I couldn't show. I, personally have had no real problems with them, and for as long as I own pure bred dogs, I hope I don't. I am just trying to show alternative points. Will the benefits out weight the hardships? Maybe, I can't deny there will be benefits.
But, as far as a boa registry, the sad point would be that even if it were optional, those who did register their livestock would start slamming the breeding of those who did not. Maybe not everyone and maybe not viciously, but the seed of doubt would be planted...It would become a status symbol, and those that didn't register would end up being ostracized. By this I mean the "little guy" or little hobbyist (even if they have nothing to hide), whose pockets do not reach so deep as the big guys. And there would be much money to be made by he/she who would start such a registry, so, to keep fairness in mind, if there were a board for this registry, have it include a few "little guys" as well, for all decisions should not be made by the rich (who can afford any fees imposed) alone.
Perhaps there should be pure locality registry, I'm not saying there shouldn't be...so long as we can maintain control of it rather than it controlling us. We do not always like to reap the seeds we sow...I just want it to be a thoroughly thought out decision, with keeping the future of what the registry may become in mind.
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I know the Barkers have one.

The other one is with Will Sloth? I don't know if I got the name right or even spelled it right.

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np
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Also, read the thread two below....this just came up...

Take care, Chris Olson
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You will need to get a 100% het male. from this you will produce 50% possible hets. So you will need to keep all the females and raise them to breed back to the 100% het male. From this you should produce some albinos. You need to breed all the females because with 50% possible hets you don't know which ones are hets. If you got an albino male you would produce 100% hets the first year. Breed these back to the albino male and you get albinos and 100% hets

for the project you described. When you start you own deal, wasting time with a 66 or a 50, is just too risky. Spending 4 years to get a project going and then finding out that a possible het was a normal would suck anaconda. That and I'd only buy genes from the most respected breeders. By genes, I mean hets or possible hets.
Matt Schubarth

Thanks for the advice guys, I guess I'll just save up and buy a nice albino.

This is what makes a lot of the albino boa market funky. If you get 2 hets from the same person to make your albino(inbreeding), then breed that albino to your BCC to make 100% hets, then line breed those 100% hets back to the father, you're really concentrating a gene pool. Not to mention that the person you bought them from may have done something similar. A lot of "worms"no eye) and "goldfish eyes"overly large eyes) out there. At least try to start with unrelated hets from different breeders.
Matt Schubarth