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This was brought up on the forum before and I wish Will and Brock would chime in on this. I really do not think it is a normal condition. It is somewhat common in captive collareds. I would be willing to bet it is caused from something we are not giving them in captivity or they are getting too much of something they are not supposed to. Will......... Brock........
Please correct me if I am wrong but I thought that is what you guys said a while back. Tom

Tom-as we all know certian species have the dewlap or a gular fold like Zebra tails, anoles, etc. But very obese Angel Island Chuckwallas and other collards I have noticed with these hinging skin like an extra fat neck is not a harbinture of health but often times is an indication of ill health. Such as giving to much protien to certian vegetariens causing gout, I know I've seen this in some couch potatoe Ornatus as well.
I agree with you, perhaps Will can be a little more specific, but if you look at some of the Bicentores that I've seen posted, they look very obese by their own body standards in the wild. Whether thats feeding them pinky mice all the time instead of a varied diet or what I don't know, and I don't mean to insult anyone who does, but I do think you've pointed out something that a lot of us don't recognize as a problem. And I have had thios with some of my animals as well in the past so I'm not shaking my finger I'm saying right on Tom, probably a disuciion about this would be helpful, I hope I haven't insulted anyone in the way I have adressed this. I also have seen this in Bearded Dragons as well.

In Bearded dragons is is sometimes associated with to much Vitimin A, BUT it is FULL and swollen looking, liquid filled.

In some collareds that have it, it is just hanging skin, not always full.
I have seen some have it and then it will not be as prevalent, another time.

And Reptoman, you had mentioned some obese looking Bicinctores pictured lately, Since one of the ones pictured is mine, I'm wondering if Yuma is on your obese list? LOL

In any case he may be heavier than most in the wild, but he was just recently a wc about 2 months ago. He acclimated nicely and I let him eat, what he wants.

I NEVER feed ANY of my animals other animals EVER, just BUGS and some greens, fruit if accepted! Would never even THINK of doing that. So If I have a fat lizard it is not from eating mice, heheheheh

I have to disagree, I do not think it comes from ill health

Just my opinion, which could very well be wrong!

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Eve

or a lot of attention, like hugs and kisses LMAO...

I have a feeling it is vitamin related...whether it is good or bad; who knows. It appears some people have kept lizards for several years that have exhibited this throat.

Definately an interesting observation. I think it ranks there with the extreme fatty armpits I've seen on a few occasions in some of my lizards. We named it, but I can't remember for the life of me.

Don-C...I think he may have coined the term.

John Eddington

...the sodden Virginia Highlands does not give one much opportunity to observe the normal condition of healthy, wild Crotaphytus. I would think we could infer whether the "HSST/turkey neck" was normal from comparisons to the large numbers of crots observed in ranges such as parts of Oklahoma, where a lizard could become overweight easily on a diet exclusively composed of chiggers and ticks, even without ever leaving the one square meter it was hatched in. 'Kong' certainly grew up well on such a diet LOL. I'm curious as to whether the HSST or the possibly-related "Johnezoid Reservoirs" behind the armpits are ever seen in well-fed wild populations.

DC
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I've got the blues...LOL...them screamin' yellow-head blues...

make that 2 days of five trips...and no...never any Johnezoid reservoirs of Turkey necks LOL

J

It jiggles when she talks! I think it is used to mesmerize her prey! It's really gross looking.

ha, ha, ha...that is funny, Don. Definately not a sign of meal deficiency is this case.

I did say I wasn't pointing fingers and I myself have had the same issue with my own lizards, but for the sake of conversation back, I lived in Californis for 40 years and have collected every indiginous California lizard you can think of, and this is never found in the wild. As far as the comments about vitimins, I have seen this in animals not fed vitimins but an incorrect diet. (and thats just a general statement) If you have a big fat healthy Bicentores I think thats great!! I just threw this out becuase so far it seems like speculation on one side or the other, it would be nice to have someone that could give a better explanation on this phenomonon, because as we have all observed it happens in many different species just not collard lizards. And if indeed it could be as you say that just being fat is one "type" of fat, and the water filled is the other that obviously is not good either. Again I am not in the position of being some vet expert on this, but only shared my concern and my own personal observations not only of wild animals in nature, but also of my own animals in the past. I still think as Tom intimated originally that this "could" be an unhealthy condition I suppose depending on how pronounced. Did I do o.k. with you PEVE? Ha!!!

I just had a feeling you were talking about my hefty Mohave, heheheh, I'm very PROTECTIVE of my lizard kids feelings!

Really, I was just trying to point out that NO, my lizards, do not, and will never, get Mice, I like mice and have had them for pets, Cant do it!

So if they are over- weight is it from insects, BECAUSE my lizards also get exercise, and are allowed to run , outside of the tanks, so it also is not from a sedendary existence.

Thats all, just wanted to give those facts, did I do okay Reptoman, LOL *SMILE*
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Eve

ha, ha.

but it is only to fatten up the highly emaciated collareds that i recieve,being in bonny scotland there aint much left of the collareds by the time they get here.I did notice that of all the pics on wills site there is none with turkey throat,i do however feel that it only seems to occur when the collareds are in a relaxed state.If i stir up suspicion it disappears relatively quickly.Oh yeah,if the mice thing is a bad thing i wanna know about it whether you have to insult me or not,after all this is about collareds and not my feelingsI do believe that im the only one here that uses this practice to "biuld up" collareds but please understand it works very well for me.I'd be interested to know more about the now "suspect" turkey throat.MAybe it's like the orca with there floppy fins in captivity yah know or maybe im just reading way too much into it,but its one thing ive always wondered aboutOH yeah one more thing,is this one of those "fat" bicinctores you were thinking of?

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see yah laterz people
jason

I believe it's a sign of a fat lizard. I have no data to back this up but I have a male who didn't eat much during the breeding season because he was focused on other things and he got a little thin. Now that his hornomes have calmed he's eating like a pig, getting ready for brumation. I noticed he now has a double chin that developed over the past couple of weeks. I've seen this come and go in my lizards. I once read it could be too much of a vitamin but I've never taken a lizard to the vet to find out. I have never seen it in the wild but those lizards are much more active than mine are. Hopefully someone out there can answer this with real data.