Mislableing hots [Lizards] just to skate around the law is a clear lacy act violation punishable by heavy fines possible jail time and confication of vehicles involved.
They named the dealer I wont, so This post will not get deleted.
here is a hint they supply ZOO's and their not to LOGICAL hint.
time to act and black list them any way you can if fish and wildlife wont enforce the rules on the we can do our part.
It might have been a simple mistake NOT!
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Bud
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Its highly illegal to ship hots this way
budman 1st
Jul 12, 2004 07:12 PM
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Jolliff
Jul 12, 2004 09:46 PM
LarryF
Jul 12, 2004 11:18 PM
I haven't read every one of the posts here so someone correct me if I missed something...
You've posted at least 3 or 4 seaparate times about how bad this dealer is for shipping these snakes illegally. The original news story posted by Wes quotes the two bonehead buyers (from jail) as saying they were shipped UPS. The next story quotes Terry as saying they were shipped illegally. The story you are talking about here also quotes Terry. No offense to Terry, but does he have any source for this info besides the two jailbirds?
Can we at least wait until we hear something from a slightly more reliable source before we assume that one, if not the biggest importer of venomous snakes and other exotics, who know they are going to be watched closely because of past problems would risk thier business to sell a few hundred dollars worth of fairly common snakes in a way that would be easy to trace back to them?...
taphillip
Jul 13, 2004 02:01 AM
by the authorities as well as the dealer... I don't know why it is so hard to believe.
Whether the mistake was made by the dealer himself or an employee...who knows.. however they were shipped that way, no I don't have copies of the shipping to post, that is not my involvement. However I was in direct contact with the authorities throughout the whole process and just accept the fact that they were in fact shipped that way.......
It does happen alot unfortunately....
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It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts!
Terry Phillip
Curator of Reptiles
Black Hills Reptile Gardens
www.reptilegardens.com
taphillip
Jul 13, 2004 02:03 AM
what I was trying to get at is,
I have not spoken to the two individuals since the week before the animals were confiscated, so my information came from the authorities.
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It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts!
Terry Phillip
Curator of Reptiles
Black Hills Reptile Gardens
www.reptilegardens.com
budman 1st
Jul 13, 2004 07:00 AM
The dealers name was in the press items
you missed them thats all
now its time to deal with them.
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Bud
LarryF
Jul 13, 2004 01:13 PM
No, I know who the dealer is, I wasn't questioning that. I was questioning the shipping method. The first mention I saw was attributed to two guys who were in jail for being terminally stupid, as reported by a paper that I'm usre is as reliable about checking it's facts as the one that did a story on our refuge and said our tigers eat thier own weight in food every DAY. The next two references I saw were from other papers who were not qouting the authorities, but qouting Terry, who I dare say is just a little worked up about the incident. Terry now says that he got that info from the authorities and I accept that. I did not mean to imply that I didn't trust Terry, just that I didn't see him state where he got the info from until now (again, maybe it was in one of the 400 degenerating posts I got tired of reading) and it seemed you two were generating a whole lot of debate out of very little information...
