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We produced this new line by breeding "DM Line" Axanthic to a normal, producing Hets that were bred back to the father. Our line has proven extremely clean with silver, black and white. We also had one axanthic that is two toned, check out the pic.

We produced this new line by breeding "DM Line" Axanthic to a normal, producing Hets that were bred back to the father. Our line has proven extremely clean with silver, black and white. We also had one axanthic that is two toned, check out the pic.

What do you think?
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you know something you might be correct! Never thought of that!
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

What would you feel the deciding factor would be to determine is a said snake is paradox? albino paradox is quite easy to see but say axanthics...aren't they known to brown out some as they get older? kind of like how some pastel lines just browns out with age. So what key factor would prove that's paradox......would it just be if he produced children like himself ? or is there other tests......it's cool but if they do brown out then it seems possible the snake might just look normal once it's alot older?

"What would you feel the deciding factor would be to determine is a said snake is paradox? albino paradox is quite easy to see but say axanthics...aren't they known to brown out some as they get older? kind of like how some pastel lines just browns out with age. So what key factor would prove that's paradox......would it just be if he produced children like himself ? or is there other tests......it's cool but if they do brown out then it seems possible the snake might just look normal once it's alot older?"
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As you may or may not know the term paradox means unknown. The paradox so far as I know has never been proven to reproduce itself. And that the unknown animal that we speak could fall into the same group.

As you reread my statement you will see I never said it was now did I?
quote "you know something you might be correct! Never thought of that!"

We both know that it just hatched so all this is nothing more than speculation. Correct? And if a paradox albino can reproduce itself then it it can no longer have that name......correct? Perhaps "Paraalbino" or "Albinodox" The last one I like....
Then if this one could be proven we can call it axanthicdox........ cute idea? Just my thoughts.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

okay.... .... ......... yeah I never said hey "ball boutique" called it a paradox ..so not sure where you went with that ..."I" called it paradox for the sake of this conversation.....

I'd love to hear some breeding results from the albino paradox so far. Are they homozygous albino or only hets?

Maybe this is a het axanthic and some how the phenotype got rationalized such that the axanthic copy of this gene controls half his body and the normal copy controles the other half.

i thought about that het theory myself....I have seen a 50% possible pied het that looked similar to that & although i didn't buy it seeing something like that had me convinced it was het but it was weird that it was for pied & not axanthic..ohh well go figure

paradox just means unexplainable....

the 2 color one is that

odd

........just prove it out ...would be cool.......

...........paradox adults with good color of axanthic baby ,, and the normal brown would be odd........

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people???.........people are stupid.........
really???......really.........

about the "Tiger" in the above post? Looks like the fully formed "dead in egg" normal baby I got from you to feed to one of the Kraits (Bungarus candidus). What do you think?? Hard to tell, I know, cuz it was a pastel, but looks like the not fully formed/colored hatchling you gave me 2 or so years ago.
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CB

"Tattooed freak with an attitude"

Some better than others. I got a SUPER yellow one that just knocks my eyes out of my sockets, and then I got a real ORANGE one. Very weird. Still neat though.

Thanx man. I wish I was producing Supers. I get so jealous when I hear the word and know that others are producing them, LOL!!

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CB

"Tattooed freak with an attitude"

paradox just means unexplainable....

Huh? I don't think its synonamous with "unexplainable" at all. I understood it to mean a self-contradictory statement that is often true or derived from acceptable premises.
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Not talking for Jeff Y., trust me he can do that himself...LOL, but I think he was trying to keep it simple so people would understand him.

Any new Pastel hatchlings from that beautiful male or yours?

Thanks
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CB

"Tattooed freak with an attitude"

huh..yes...same thing.......

unexplainable...from the norm...odd...not predicted....wierd...

(and mostly..never yet proven genetic...)

....just wierd.......

anyways..

we agree...and it means the same.....

.......axanthics grow up ugly anyways......
(and snows are boring white).......

LOL
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people???.........people are stupid.........
really???......really.........

I forgot to add at the end, to make my post funny, was that "I have no way of explaining the paradox albino", LOL! Sorry about that. It was supposed to be an overtly funny post, but it wasn't without that last sentence, LOL!!

I like VPI axanthics, but I hope the Pastel cleans them up. Maybe the Cinnamon Pastel will clean it up even more?

I guess I can't see it having anything to do with pied but who knows.

If this appearance is seen in animals that shouldn't be het axanthic then perhaps something else causes it. I'd still love to know if the paradox albinos are het or homo albino.

We feel the explanation you gave is a good assumption of what might be going on with this snake. We were thinking the same thing. We will line breed it to see if the phenotype carries over.

Good luck guys/gals!! Cool looking animal.
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CB

"Tattooed freak with an attitude"

TW International produced some Axanthics a little like that they have the 'normal' ball python coloring on there backs with the rest being somewhat two toned. Without permission from Wyatt I won't post the photos but they look pretty odd too.
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