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This animals isnt a locality animal but what I would consider a "mixed Locale" He is descended from Echols Co. and Tift Co. Georgia animals.

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I know the two "locals" are politicaly removed from one another by at least two other counties but are they from the same habitat? Is it possible that from a historical perspective they were part of a large breeding population that included much of south central GA?

Good question Tony and I would imagine so. I have offered up the whole lip scale pattern idea which the majority of GA seem to have to higher degree than other populations of Getula. I think as you move more towards the coast the Easterns get more of a Floridana influence though . Ive been to Georgia numerous times but only traveling through so I cant speak to the habitat but Sean Belanger and others would know for sure. The Getula from South Georgia and Florida are certainly a mixed bag. It owuld be interesting to know just how much male Getula travel to mate ?

Keith

>>I know the two "locals" are politicaly removed from one another by at least two other counties but are they from the same habitat? Is it possible that from a historical perspective they were part of a large breeding population that included much of south central GA?
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The reason I asked is because if the only barrier to gene flow is current level of human development, then IMHO that animal could be considered locality. Ted Thompson has done the same thing with NJ coastals. For some time Burlington County and Ocean County coastals were bred a separate localities. Ted finally had the nuts to say wait a minute both are nothing more than political sub-divisions of the same habitat, that being the Jersey Pine Barrens. I know the example isn't a great match because the Jersey counties are adjacent but from a historical standpoint south central GA was likely a continuous forest that encompassed both founding counties. Its splitting hairs I know but I dig locality animals that are named for features. I coined "Pungo Ridge" for eastern kings. Pungo ridge kings, as a function of geography can range from the southern shore of the Chesapeake Bay all the way into Knots island NC before you hit a significant barrier (Currituck Sound) that’s been there for a meaningful amount of time. Anyway just my two cents. BTW I meant to say earlier that is an awesome snake.

It doesn't seem to make sense to assign locality to human political boundaries. Of course, that is very handy to do at times.
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Tim

Those are some great points Tony ! Yeah I think people including myself have have relied too much on political boundries to define an animal and it just silly when you think about it. I wonder if there is a way to break the animals down this way ? Obviously you were able to identify this with the Pungo Ridge type animals.

Keith

>>The reason I asked is because if the only barrier to gene flow is current level of human development, then IMHO that animal could be considered locality. Ted Thompson has done the same thing with NJ coastals. For some time Burlington County and Ocean County coastals were bred a separate localities. Ted finally had the nuts to say wait a minute both are nothing more than political sub-divisions of the same habitat, that being the Jersey Pine Barrens. I know the example isn't a great match because the Jersey counties are adjacent but from a historical standpoint south central GA was likely a continuous forest that encompassed both founding counties. Its splitting hairs I know but I dig locality animals that are named for features. I coined "Pungo Ridge" for eastern kings. Pungo ridge kings, as a function of geography can range from the southern shore of the Chesapeake Bay all the way into Knots island NC before you hit a significant barrier (Currituck Sound) that’s been there for a meaningful amount of time. Anyway just my two cents. BTW I meant to say earlier that is an awesome snake.
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my female Ga. says "He's Hot",not to be a match maker but if i dont get a male ,he can date my lil pig. Chris...........

Good idea send her to me ASAP ! lol

Keith
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Keith. Do you know where i could purchase an eastern like that. with the orange in it???

Johnny

Johnny, many juvenile Easterns have alot of red. But it fades out as they age into adults. It's easy to find young Easterns with that amount of red but keep in my mind it won't look like that forever.

Sean is correct most lose the orange into adulthood but Will Still's animal can keep a percentage of it into adulthood like this big adult female.

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