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we have had two very disappointing years. this year and last. but we wanted to congratulate every one who has produced this year. we have all seen an amazing year for boas. here are a couple of pics of some still borns that came from an F1 Harlequin orangrtail out crossed to a very nice unrealated(non harlequin) male.


but we must still be thankful for what we have. here is one of our future F1 harlequin breeder females. as well as one of an F1 Harlequin male. we have really only scrached the surface of what is possible with the Harlequin gene. Thanks B

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Than stillborns that look that awesome! I'd rather have no clue what could've been than to see animals that nice stillborn. Good to see your keeping your chin up though, and not giving up-best of luck with your harlequins and everything else. Thanks for sharing....take care!

Paul

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i use under the cage/ or substraigh heat. why?
thanks Brendan

some would blame deformed offspring on the UTH's. I'm sure you have them on thermostats but I am leary of them altogether. Don't get me wrong, I use them too. This will be the first year that I'm using UTH instead of ceramic heat emitters. Due to this being the first year I've ever had 20 adult and sub-adult boas. Before I've had either Bush cages or melimine(sp) enclosures with a shelf, again with CHE as the only heat source. I know this probably sounds rediculous to you, but UTH is such an unnatural method for a female boa to gestate, rather than heat from above. I have one proven dumerils due in a month or so, and another proven dumeril and a proven Suri due in September- so I'm a little nervous about the way a female will sit on these UTH units. I've set them pretty low(82-86), with UVA incandecent during the peak of the afternoon to get them in the 90's.
Thanks for the response-
Matt Schubarth
Pet Nebula
2100 Stephens #116
Missoula, Montana 59801
406 541 9929

Your comments indicate that UTH is less desirable. Please correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Jeff Ronne use UTH with his caging? It seems that his caging and all the knockoffs are very popular, highly rated, and use UTH.
I haven't purchased a Boaphile cage or one of the knockoffs but I plan on doing so in the very near future. So I would like to hear from some of the other breeders out there about this topic.
I believe Rich Ihle also uses UTH, watched the Barker / Ihle video. He also runs it wide open, no rheostat, dimmer, etc.

Well, Jeff's cages can be purchased with Radiant heat panels as well. I think he leaves it up to the buyer, and doesn't seem to recommend one source over another as far as when he's advertising them. As for running the heat tape "wide open" there are variables to everything, so to just openly suggest that is pretty dangerous. If your using low wattage heat tape with a large enclosure, and a relevantly cool ambient room temp. you'd probably have no problems. But, on the other hand, if you use normal 11" heat tape under a 28qt. rubbermaid, wide open inside a room with 80 degree ambient heat, and little ventilation within the tub itself, your probably going to have cooked snakes. Both methods of heating (overhead and UTH) have been used successfully, so it's almost all left to preference as I see it. Take care.

Paul

especially with the quality of animals you produce, Brendan. Sorry that this year was not productive for you, but please keep trying for there are many, myself included, who someday want a Harlequin boa.

Denny & Kathy

That is a rough one. I had an entire litter of premie Hypos two years ago and it is a killer. Last year my Striped Girl slugged out on me. It can be very frustrating at times.
Keep on giving it your best
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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

Those Salmon Harley stillborns look AMAZING!!!
That one looks just like a Salmon Jungle boa on the classifieds right now for $12,500 !!!!!!

Yes we all have bad years, and thank goodness for the good years!

Sorry this didn't work out for you.. that litter would've been instrumental in further proving (to others) the potential of this wonderful morph.

Could you please tell me what the Harley parent look like, and what were that animals parents? I believe you said you bred it to a nice common.
I'm interested in how much color and pattern come out even when outcrossing.
I just had a recent experience where some animals I thought were codominant ended up producing nothing, probably because of being outbred just once too much.

Please keep in touch and let me know how the rest of your year goes... i'm sure you ane Tim have a few surprises up your sleeves... or in your cages right now.. lol

Thanks, Take care - Joe Rollo - BciJoe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

That's so horrible, sorry for you guys, the babies were really beautiful!! Don't give up though, keep your head up, there's always next year and from the look of those babies, its definetly going to be worth it!! GOOD LUCK TO YOU!!

Jen Salgado
DM Breeders, Inc.