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Meet the babies of 2003! and a couple questions...

IcedGoddess May 14, 2003 10:04 AM


Here we come!!!!

hatchling #1 (above)
Hatchling #2 (below)

Look at the difference! hahaha

#3 and 4 both have this?

is this just the umbilical? it appears to be coming out the cloacea. only 8 more to go! took 24 hours for these four!

Someone asked about moldy eggs on the old board, and just incase they see this post, the egg right in the middle of these four was the most multicolored fuzzy thing you ever did see!
Hope you liked
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Dianne
AKA IcedGoddess
IcedGoddess Creations

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Shaky May 14, 2003 10:28 AM

Not the cloaca, but just anterior to it, where the umbilicus attaches. I haven't seen this happen yet, but I'd just leave it alone and let the rest of the yolk absorb. It should fall off really soon. Hope they're OK.
The first one looks like it will be very orange, from what I can see.
Good luck with them.
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...and I think to myself, "What a wonderful world."

serpwidgets May 15, 2003 12:13 AM

I consider this recommended reading, especially for those of us (me included) who are impatient. Rich Z offers some great commentary in this thread. I'm not linking this to imply something, or try to make anyone feel bad. It certainly made me stop and think, and that's always a good thing.

Take it for what it's worth.
"Can anyone ID this pipping corn?"

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Useful stuff on the Serpentine Widgets website:
Morph Library
Genetics and Inheritance Tutorial
Snake Measuring Program
Cornsnake Glossary

IcedGoddess May 15, 2003 10:19 AM

first, what's FWIW? lol
i did read that string. Thank you, it explained a lot about those two who hatched with the unbilical still attatched. I didn't make them come out, they just came out like that when i saw them. And both are fine now, cords have either been absorbed or fallen off.

4 are out, 4 are noses out, and four are still inside. I can't wait till they start shedding! two have zigzag/aztec type patterning on about two inches of their backs:-D Big sirprize there! All normal-looking so far, but all look like they will be very red adults:-D
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Dianne
AKA IcedGoddess
IcedGoddess Creations

draybar May 15, 2003 02:47 PM

>>first, what's FWIW? lol
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Congrats on the hatchlings. My Creamsicle didn't get pregnant so I guess I will be waitng until next season.
But that's ok.
I will learn a lot from everyone going thorugh their first breeding season.
The thread Serp sent was very informative. I saved it for future reference.
Good luck with the rest of the eggs and the hatchlings.

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Jimmy (draybar)

serpwidgets May 15, 2003 07:35 PM

I'm glad people took that for what it was meant to be: good information and food for thought. I was expecting at least a few "you're mean and telling us we are being bad owners to our snakes" reactions.
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Morph Library
Genetics and Inheritance Tutorial
Snake Measuring Program
Cornsnake Glossary

Taceas May 15, 2003 11:37 AM

I read Rich's post about leaving the neonates in their hatching container, while the remainder of the eggs hatched, which would aid in their shedding.

My questions are:

1. How long after hatching do neonates shed?

2. How long must I leave them in the hatching container for them all to shed?

3. I do reach in and remove the shells and other debris, to prevent the possibility of anything bad growing, right?
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~*Taceas*~
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"And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee. Power hath decended forth from thy hand so our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. And we shall flow a river forth to thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti." - The Boondock Saints

serpwidgets May 15, 2003 07:22 PM

1. How long after hatching do neonates shed?

Mine have averaged about 7-10 days after hatching. When mine hatch, they are well on their way into a shed cycle.

2. How long must I leave them in the hatching container for them all to shed?

The whole time.

3. I do reach in and remove the shells and other debris, to prevent the possibility of anything bad growing, right?

Ya, Rich even mentioned doing so in that thread.

What I did last year was take them out of the egg box and put them into another small setup with a water dish, plenty of hides, and wet moss as a substrate... just like the eggbox. It just seems "cleaner" for them.

I think the idea he was trying to get across was to not go crazy with bothering them while they are pipping. (I think we've all been guilty of that at some point.) Once they've hatched, it's also important to remember that they are already well on their way into a shed cycle. Some will be not in the mood to be handled or bothered, and it's easier to damage them while they are in that phase.

Plus, that first shed is a very dramatic change, and at that point you'll get a much better look at their colors anyway.

And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee. Power hath decended forth from thy hand so our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. And we shall flow a river forth to thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti." - The Boondock Saints

In pectorum quid pro qum.

In pecunium sic transit gloria.

I didn't know Gloria was sick!

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Morph Library
Genetics and Inheritance Tutorial
Snake Measuring Program
Cornsnake Glossary

carol May 15, 2003 10:38 AM

Those snakes for some reason or another came out a little too early and did not finish absorbing thier yolk. Cut the cord as close to the hatchling as you can and keep them on moist papertowels. If those cords catch on anything it can open them right up so it is best to get rid of them promptly. Whatever small portion you couldn't cut should pull itself inside on its own. Good Luck!

carol May 15, 2003 10:41 AM

I just read that they fell off. Great! Glad it turned out Ok for you.

IcedGoddess May 15, 2003 11:48 AM

lol, cutting it was my first thought, But I was afraid they needed the nutrients they hadn't absorbed yet. I left both of them in their hatching cups with their eggs and I can't find any remnants of the yolks, so I assume they finaly absorbed them up. They are the only two who had this, and I haven't hurried any along, (even though i'd love to just pull the 5 peeking little heads out of those eggs!)

still 3 to pip! That'll make 12 babies out of 15 eggs, 3 of which have been gone for over a month now. To me, this is as close to 100% as I could have dreamed for! Both snakes and myself are all first-timers at this, so this has been an exciting (and dragging) 3 days watching them pip one by one!
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Dianne
AKA IcedGoddess
IcedGoddess Creations

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