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Love the variety - enjoy.......

Thanks for posting, will you be a vendor at Daytona this year? Tom

Usually there but it is always a last minute decision....LOL

Nice illustration to support your love of black rat snakes. Should get a lot of interest up for black rat snakes. Is "rusty" similar or synonymous with "bridndle"? The pic of the rusty looks similar to brindles I've seen.

Terry Parks

Most (if not all) Rustys are from the Leucistic bloodline. A lighter coloured animal is produced from the Leucistic Rainbow Boa & Ball Pythons Leucistic bloodlines also. The Brindle looks much different as adults.

Thanks for the info. Good luck with your black rat snakes.

Terry Parks

>>Most (if not all) Rustys are from the Leucistic bloodline. A lighter coloured animal is produced from the Leucistic Rainbow Boa & Ball Pythons Leucistic bloodlines also. The Brindle looks much different as adults.

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Terry Parks

Hey Mike
What's the genetics behind the carmel amel and grape amel ...where's the brindle? Sweet group of blk rats Mike !

The Caramel & Grape was produced from breeding my Caramel male to my Albino Lic. Stick female. I was shocked to see the Grape. The Lavendars, Oranges, Grapes, & Caramels are all Tysrosinase Positive Albinos - just different variations - poss. linked to locality variations or maybe some extra genetics in there.?? There are also very pale variants of the T I have seen labeled Snows & Ghosts but am not quite sure what they look like as neonates. No Brindle babies this year......

I love Black Rat Snakes myself. Great pictures.

In the wild, Black Rat Snakes can be found with varying degrees of pattern showing and with base colors ranging from black to brown. You have provided us with some great examples of what selective breading can accomplish. What I am wondering from the pictures is what some of the adults look like.

Does the “Rusty” adult look like a normal E.o.o., only brown instead of the classic black? Does the “Ultra Black” (hypermelanistic?) grow up to be a normal looking Black Rat only with less pattern showing?

Thanks for the pictures.

I am working on a pic shows the difference of the adults. Hope to have that posted soon. My Brindle was in shed & seems like a lot of people are curious about that trait so I might wait for her to shed out before I finish & post but it is "in the works". The Rusty trait has alot of variation. On one end animals are a purple-ish red colour & the other end animals are a dark chocolate brown. There actually is alot of variation w/in the neonates also - light & dark but def. not normal.

Thanks for the answer. I just got a chance to read it. I look forward to seeing the new pictures when you get them ready. Best of luck with all your projects.

Do you produce many of the ultra blacks?

It is the first one I have ever produced (or seen) & I have produced quite a few normals. The female pictured has a male sibling that is not as dark but darker than the rest of the litter. They were produced from breeding my Motley male to a Dbl. Het. Alb. Lic. Stick female. My Motley (same characteristics as the Cornsnake mutation) was produced by one of the two Dbl. Het. Albino Lic. Stick females I have. Nothing but normals out of the litter so I am assuming it is the other DH female that produced him. I will be breeding him back to her next year to hopefully establish that trait.

When I first decided to get a snake, I did lots of looking/research to figure out what snake would have the qualities that I was looking for. The black rat was (and still is) that snake. Too bad here in the buckeye state you have to get a special dispensation from the pope!
Great animals, J...See you at the show. Duffy

They all need to be a little bit more like Mike here. I ordered 2 snakes from him, a female licorice stick and a male neonate black rat. I just purchased them, being my first snakes and never even handling a snake before I had a lot of questions, I just always have been interested in snakes. I had emailed a lot of breeders asking various questions...half wouldnt reply...the other half would reply with answers that were less than satisfying. I first contacted him about (what i thought was) a leucistic. I told him as a first time keeper i wanted one that was somewhat uncommon, my price range, he replied with tons of detailed information and pictures, of the snake now and what it will look like full grown.

Hats off to Mr. Mike Jolliff...I will give him a great reccomendation for anybody looking for a snake. I have only taken delivery of one as of yet, but she is in pristine condition. I'm sure I won't have a problem with the other one.
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