I went and found that add for hypo Cals in the classifieds. I agree with you that they are not, I think. The picture isnt the best but they do look awful dark (normal)I have some from Gerald and mine look nothing like that or the ones that Vivid(?) sells from the pics I have seen. I have never seen one of thiers in person so once again I could be wrong. Brian from BHB sells what he calls "copper kings" we thought they might be the same but he doesn't think they are related to Geralds. I hope to see him in Chicago this fall and maybe he will have examples of his at the show. Do you know if this is true? I was told that the ones from Vivid were started from naturally occuring animals in southern Cal while I know the others are from northern cal.
Randy

