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Beanie back from vet-bad news on eggs

Linda G Jun 21, 2003 03:21 PM

Beanie has been off food for 3 weeks now and the vet said
to expect the eggs at the end of the month. The last couple
of days she has been very lethargic and her color is really
weird. I took her today and they x-rayed her. They
are still in the follicle stage and are as big as marshmellows.
Dr. Katy feels that she may be unable to calcify and lay these
eggs due in part to her old MBD.

Just as an update, I adopted her from a shelter in September
so I did not cause the MBD. She went over the xray with
me and on the upside her bone calcium looks very good now
but she pointed out an old arm fracture just above the elbow.
We knew she had MBD at one time due to her jaw.

The very bad news is she wants to do surgery on Monday to
remove everything. I am very worried about this and I am
hoping we are not jumping the gun. I know in the long run
this is probably what is best but would like some input if
anyone can help

Thanks

Replies (7)

Roger Van Couwen Jun 21, 2003 04:49 PM

My perspective on this is to the spay now while she is realively healthy.

I rehabbed an ig whose ill-formed eggs had started to rupture prior to surgery, and that was very bad. The surgery was much more expensive and the ig was much sicker than if we had done the spay earlier.

Roger

Georgia Jun 22, 2003 12:01 AM

Don't worry. i'm sure your Beanie will be fine. my Egor got spayed because of her not laying her eggs as well. this is a much needed surgery. it stops any possible mess-ups in the future that deal with the reproductive organs. it's for her best, i promise!!! she will be a little sore the next few days, to the next week. egor never actually had her stitches removed, she ripped hers out. luckily everything was healed in time!!! good luck, and my prayers are with you and Beanie!
Georgia

Linda G Jun 22, 2003 01:26 PM

Thank you for answering and being so positive. I am praying
that she does OK. I take her Monday morning and I should know
early afternoon the outcome. I will be on pins and needles
I am sure but I do know it is the best for her at this
point.

I will post again the outcome.

Linda

catsandlizards Jun 23, 2003 12:08 PM

Same thing with my Lizzy, she was spayed and eggs removed February this year and is just fine now.
Much luck and prayers for Beanie and for you.

rjmmello Jun 22, 2003 06:00 PM

2 of my 3 girls have gone through this surgery now (and I've promised myself I'm going to get the 3rd spayed BEFORE next breeding season). All 3 have laid a clutch per year for several years now but both who ran into problems, are getting up in years which I think was the real root of their problems. When it happened to us the first time “very worried” is a mild way to describe my feelings (and, in reality, I imagine yours too). However, since it’s all over, I’m so glad not to have to worry about them laying eggs each year. I mean….there’s always the potential for egg problems….until they don’t lay eggs anymore that is. …..and I feel like, once they have problems the first time, they’re more likely to have them again.

Speaking of which. . . the first time, it took us awhile to figure out what was going on w/Shirley because the follicles had broken so badly in her abdomen that Xrays didn’t show definite egg shapes. . .and the chaos all this was playing w/her system caused her bloodwork to be all out of skew too. We weren’t sure if it was kidney problems (not uncommon in an Ig of her age) or egg issues or what. . . . .so by the time I finally agreed to go ahead with an invasive procedure. . . she was already weaker that I feel like she should have been. With Romeo, having seen the symptoms first hand before, and knowing my Ig’s as well as I do, I didn’t waste time letting her get weak.

From what you describe, you’re in scenario #2. You absolutely know there is an egg problem going on . . .she’s lethargic but not yet really ‘weak’. When you go into this Monday, rest easy know now’s the time to do it. Shirley’s recover took twice as long as Romeo’s. I remember both myself AND the vet being really worried about Shirley during the initial stages of her recovery. . . .but Romeo was a breeze.

Anyway. . . my advice is to:
1.) MAKE SURE THE VET SENDS YOU HOME W/PROPER MEDs. For both my girls operations, my vet sent home:
a.) 3 days worth of injectible pain meds (6 small needles, to be given every 12 hours). Keeps them comfortable & calm (mostly seeping) for the worst of the pain. . . helping the incision get a bit of a hold on itself before they start moving at all.
b.) 7 days antibiotics (7 big shots to give once daily). As I understand it, in these non-calcified follicle situations, once the vet gets inside they often find follicle(s) have broken and introduced yolk into the abdominal area. Happened to both my girls. My vet repeatedly flushed the abdominal cavity w/saline, to clean out as much as possibly but, was adamant about the heavy antibiotics dosage to battle infection that might occur as a result of microscopic yolk traces left behind.
2.) PREPARE A PLACE FOR HER RECOVERY before you bring her home. The first time, I dedicated my 2nd bathroom to Shirely’s recovery. I made a pallet of soft towels (covered by a smooth sheet….so as not to irritate the incision) in my high sided bathtub, and suspended a heat lamp over it. I didn’t bother w/UV because I’d taken off work to be with her for the first week, I was able to take her outside for daily basks. It was August (in Texas). I was in HELL (on me) but the sun is magic for them….so I stayed outside w/her several hours every day.
The 2nd time. . . knowing better what to expect. . . I bought a really huge Rubbermaid storage container that fit in the window seat of my bedroom window. . . .and took time off work to do the sun magic again.
Well. . .I’ve written a book here . . .so better sign off. Will check back later tonight in case you post questions or something. I remember feeling so helpless the first time I went through this w/Shirley. My biggest comfort was communicating w/other folks on this list . . . who’d either gone through the same thing or just really understood how/why I could be so upset & worried about ‘a lizard’. . . . and would follow up to ask how she was doing after the surgery etc. . .
Take Care,
Rebecca (Shirely, Romeo, Lil’Girl & Lil’Boy)

Georgia Jun 22, 2003 07:14 PM

Rebecca, you said the vet sent you home w/ meds for pain. my vet said iguanas have a high tolerance to pain, and didn't need any extra meds. i don't know, maybe she was a little more doped up than most and didn't need it, but she was very alert when we got her back. could i have by some chance put my Egor through much more pain than was intended because i didn't recieve any meds? dang, that kinda erks me. i'm starting to feel really bad about it.
sorry for the long post.
Georgia

rjmmello Jun 23, 2003 10:49 AM

Georgia: I'm sorry. . .last thing I want is to make anyone feel bad about having made the difficult decision to go through this procedure. Don't feel bad just because of what I said about the pain meds. It could be your vet was right about the high pain tolerance. . .and maybe my vet gave me the pain meds as more of a sedative. . .to keep my girls calm, sleepy and still for the first few days. . . until the incision had a chance to start knitting back together.
. . . and in retrospect, they must actually have a pretty high pain tolerance because any human coming out of surgery, w/a comparative incision as big as both my girl's complications required, would be on pain meds a LOT longer than 3 days. Both had broken egg sacs, with free floating yolk in the abdomen that required multiple saline flushes. Romeo actually had an imbedded follicle that required he resect a portion of the fat wall lining her abdomen.
Concentrate on the good feeling that you did Egor a favor by freeing her from any future reproductive complications.
Happy Head Bobs,
Rebecca (and all the Ig’s)

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