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Have any lucies been proven to reproduce?
Any lucies sterile?
Just a thought. Be nice for all to know.
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Not a ton of information available to the public even on how many leucies there are but it sounds like most if not all of the ones that are old enough to reproduced have.

I think Peter Kahl reported somewhere that he got offspring from his female. I've heard something to the effect that they aren't normal looking (i.e. it's probably co-dominant like the others) but have never seen a picture or a description of what they might look like.

Someone posted a few day's ago that he had a het from the deceased male Snoopy. I got the idea these are also odd looking.

NERD hatched eggs from a leucy of undisclosed source this year but again no pictures yet and again I got the idea somewhere that they aren't normal looking.

Other than the original male years ago that was rumored to have gone to Japan (did it visit any females on the way?) or some such place I don't recall having heard of any others that are for sure old enough to have tried to breed yet.

Different color/pattern or deformed?

It seems the people breeding these are keeping a fairly tight lid on their progress. Which tells me it's either really good news or very bad news.

I too wondered if female leucies were actually able to reproduce.

Paul Snyder
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1.0 Pastel Motley Cornsnake
1.0 Motley Cornsnake
0.1 Bubblegum Snow Cornsnake
0.1 Candycane Cornsnake
0.1 Albino Lavender Kingsnake
1.0 50/50 Desert Kingsnake
1.0 Banana Pinstripe Kingsnake
0.1 Leucistic Texas Ratsnake
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As in co-dominants like seems to be the case with lesser platties, fireballs, and yellow bellies all being the hets for slightly different types of leucistics.

My suspicion is that pictures are not being posted much for two reasons. First, these projects aren't completely nailed down so people don't want to go out on a limb and say "this is what the hets look like" and be ridiculed, especially if they might end up being wrong. Look at all the flack that Bob Clark and Mike Wilbanks have taken regarding the fireball after they posted pictures and asserted their (I believe well founded) believe that they are visible hets for a co-dominant leucistic (black eyed).

Second, I think breeders are worried about giving potential competitors advantage in these high dollar projects. It sounds like yellow bellies where relatively reasonably priced and some probably where not being aggressively bred before the rumor that they create the Ivory (which to me is just another type of leucistic). Now most anything that might even possibly be a yellow belly is in the hands of a breeder working hard to reproduce it. If we had good pictures (perhaps even belly pictures) for identifying each type of suspected het leucistic I think it's likely that quite a few more would be found that had previously not been noticed. I think some of these hets are fairly subtle and are probably moderately well distributed in the wild so have probably been imported into the pet trade for years.

Perhaps there might even be a third reason. There seems to be a considerable amount of indignation over the current yellow belly promotion with claims that people are selling very questionable animals as yellow bellies for inflated prices. If we had pics of other suspected het leucistics it would no doubt lead to some similar but not legitimate animals being sold for high prices. Perhaps some breeders are rationalizing not sharing more info as protecting the market from potential scams.

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16.10 Ball Pythons (various types)
1.0 Pastel Motley Cornsnake
1.0 Motley Cornsnake
0.1 Bubblegum Snow Cornsnake
0.1 Candycane Cornsnake
0.1 Albino Lavender Kingsnake
1.0 50/50 Desert Kingsnake
1.0 Banana Pinstripe Kingsnake
0.1 Leucistic Texas Ratsnake
2.1 Siamese Cats
0.1 Wife

I'm just guessing. IMHO this might be what is going on. It's not like I actually hang out with anyone who has a leucistic project and actually know what is going on.

the Ivory (which to me is just another type of leucistic).

Hi Randy et al;

Having held and photographed the ivory before it had a name I have to politely disagree with you. The animal(s) is neither white nor patternless.

In the dictionary leucistic means white. Nothing more. That is why Dan & Collete chose the name Ivory because it is not pure white and patternless.

here is a pic I took:

The animal is a pale yellow/tan color with lavender spotting and a pale yellow vertebral stripe. Outstanding? Yes!! White patternless? No way.
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I get the idea that none of the "leucistics" yet are completely white and patternless. Sure the Ivory has more pattern and color than the others but I'm still thinking it might be related. Maybe not though as Mr. Davis' goblin is yellow belly like and it didn't make leucistics with his phantom.

Wonder if SK is working on an axanthic ivory? Maybe that would be a lot more leucistic looking.

I even thought the super cinnamon might be along the same lines as a leucistic just without some extra twist to get rid of the dark pigment but then cinn X pastel = pewter but lesser and mojave X pastel apparently don't have any unexpected combined effect so cinnamon must not be all that closely related to lesser and hence leucistic.

It will be fun to see all the crosses of these different lines so as to figure out what is and isn't related.