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i have had someone tell me that this is not actually a giant/fur cross, and that it is actually an undesired birth defect. are you sure its a giant/fur cross, anthony? i havent had much description of the giant and fur traits, although from the names im guessing giants are those with the wide heads and fur pertains to larger crests. heres a pic of the whole gecko, since the first pic might not have given enough info since it was only a close-up of the head area. let me know if you think any differently. if it ends up being undesirable instead of uncommon, ill probably still keep it, its just disappointing because i really thought this female would produce some killer babies, but i dont want to ruin the gene pool while im attempting to breed cresteds.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder .

This in particular applies to Crested Geckos There is a great deal made of the various morphs and patterns . I think human optimism is best shown when reading Gecko ads. I see yellow geckos advertised as ''blazing orange'' Redish fires advertised as ''brillant reds'' and if theres a dot anyplace on the lizard its a ''dalmation'' .

To my knowledge morphs and their names are pretty much made up as we go along and they appear. A fitting name sticks.I think you will find ''fur '' is the exceptionally long spikes down the back and body your picture shows. If you admire your crested what someone names it has no bearing on the resulting babies.

My crested collection or ''colony'' has quite a variety of ''High end colors''But my favorite is a simple yellow with great personality and acrobatic cricket hunting skills .

Fur or Giant Cresteds
Posted by: GeckosByBrad at Thu Jul 8 00:29:53 2004

I have written an article, including your "Fur/Giant Cross" and the two other Categories of Rhacodactylus ciliatus. What you have is a Fur or Giant Cross. What this means is that you have a Crested that had the parents of a Giant or Fur and a normal or both parents were crosses them selves. So when a Normal is bred with a Giant you get the Fur/Giant Cross. 100% Giants or Furs are VERY and rare. I have done lots of research to try and track down some of these with little results. I have a colony of Furs and Crosses and the two other Categories of Cresteds. Crosses sell for 250-350 and Giants sell for $375-$500. I have limited numbers of them and have let very few out of my collection and I know another a few other Big Name breeder who have a few in their collections. You have a very uncommon Crested and I would hope you try to keep it's offspring pure as possible. I will be selling me article for $5.00 along w/o shipping.
I brought a few to Kansas City for Anothony to see. The Furs and Giants are much more rare and valuable than the Pinstripes, which have been showing up a lot. There is a market for these , but the light hasnt been shed on these yet. Look for more to come!
Brad Teague
Geckos By Brad
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Arboreals Etc...

Where has your article been published?
Is it possible to read it?

Just curious about the other 2 different crested morphs you mentioned

Thanks

Steno

Who said that it was a giant/fur?

I've heard of islands off the coast of New Caledonia, where the Cresteds were about 10% longer on average, but I don't know that I'd call it a "giant" and I don't know of anyone calling it a genetic trait.

As for the fur trait, as far as I know, it's just a selective breeding type of trait...not a simple recessive or dominant trait.

In my opinion, your gecko doesn't appear to exhibit the fur trait. Geckos that do show the trait are typically drab in color and as adults, their crests are greatly exagerated.

-Anthony

>>i have had someone tell me that this is not actually a giant/fur cross, and that it is actually an undesired birth defect. are you sure its a giant/fur cross, anthony? i havent had much description of the giant and fur traits, although from the names im guessing giants are those with the wide heads and fur pertains to larger crests. heres a pic of the whole gecko, since the first pic might not have given enough info since it was only a close-up of the head area. let me know if you think any differently. if it ends up being undesirable instead of uncommon, ill probably still keep it, its just disappointing because i really thought this female would produce some killer babies, but i dont want to ruin the gene pool while im attempting to breed cresteds.
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Anthony Caponetto
www.ACreptiles.com

it was brad that originally led me to thinking i had a giant/fur cross. you, anthony, originally suggested i had a fur though. i do know that the crest is more exaggerrated than any other cresteds i know, seeing as there are raised scales going all the way down the back. im still not sure if this explains why there isnt just a single row of raised scales around the head and neck region.

I must have seen a different photo when I said that. Either way, it's a nice gecko and it does have some exagerated crest scales, but not one that I'd consider to be that far out of the ordinary.

That said, the "fur" trait isn't really something that I'm into, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

-Anthony

>>it was brad that originally led me to thinking i had a giant/fur cross. you, anthony, originally suggested i had a fur though. i do know that the crest is more exaggerrated than any other cresteds i know, seeing as there are raised scales going all the way down the back. im still not sure if this explains why there isnt just a single row of raised scales around the head and neck region.
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Anthony Caponetto
www.ACreptiles.com

There is absolutely nothing undesireable about this female, I would purchase her myself without a doubt. She does have a bit more crests on her back and than the typical crested, but it isn't a birth defect. Like Anthony stated, this trait is not recessive like albinism or leusism, but simply a trait inherited from parents that show an unusual amount of extra crests. It is like the tangerine trait you see in leopards, it is selectively bred to bring out what the breeder wants, more tangerine color. In your case it would be more crests. The "fur" trait is quite un-common, making this female more valueable. I would suggest you hang on to her and try and bring this trait out in her offspring. Good luck. Leland-D.W.Geckos

What is considered "Giant" ?

Greater than xx SVL or greater than xx grams in weight
or a combination of both. And what would be a typical fill
in the blank on the numbers ?
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I do not know the snout to vent measurement but when compared to a normal crested adults are considerable larger, they also grow a lot faster. They are more robust, thicker, (couldnt think of the word at first)

Daniel Martin
Kryptic Morphs

I have a line that goes well over 60 grams on males. Wide crests but unremarkable color. The females, get as big but I never weighed one. Repashey says they do not get this big in his book. I always called them "Giants" but that was my nomenclature because customers said they never saw ones that big, personally I have never seen one any larger. I am curious abou how "big" is big. Nobody ever wanted to pay much for one as they were unremarkable in appearence, just in size. Still have a few around and the original parents...
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I am not sure what to tell you, I am still learning about the furs as well, I would contact Brad Teague at geckosbybrad.com, he should be able to tell you if they are the fur/giants.

Daniel Martin
Kryptic Morphs

Would like to know what a "Giant" is. Not sure what a fur refers to. It would be interesting to see one bigger than mine, but that has yet to happen...
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