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This was actually brought up by Jeff Nichols a year or so ago...I thought it was worth resurecting, depending on how you guys feel about it.

My proposition is building a website that would serve as a repository for breeding, husbandry data for Drymarchon keepers and breediers. The site would be password secured so that only members would have access to any of the data. The data I would propose to keep (open for suggestions):

1. A profile of members including an inventory of Drymarchon they keep and what they actively breed.

2. A "studbook" that would shown known data on bloodlines of the animals each member keeps.

3. An area to outline breeding techniques, etc. that each member employs

4. An area to outline general husbandry techniques, cage designs, etc.

5. An historical record of each member's breeding, showing clutch size, hatch rate, sex ratios of hatchlings, media used, incubation temperatures, incubation humidity, etc.

6. An area to outline techniques used for starting hatchlings.

7. Data on growth rates of hatchlings, diet employed, etc.

I would be willing to build and maintain the website, I just want to see how much interest there would be in such a thing....
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

That sounds like an awesome idea!
I think everyone here would willingly submit the requested info to you. I'm not yet a breeder but, God willing I will be someday soon.
I commend you for offering to build & maintain the website & look forward to passing my info on to you.

Eric

Excellent Idea!!
I really like the idea of publishing bloodlines so as to minimize (further?) inbreeding.
Matt

Passwords are not a good idea.
i cannot breed indigos because i live in florida.
but i wanna read about it. so keep the passwords outta there

>>Passwords are not a good idea.
>>i cannot breed indigos because i live in florida.
>>but i wanna read about it. so keep the passwords outta there
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The passwords will only be used to protect the areas that contain personal data about the members or specific data about their collections. The areas with husbandry information and other general information will be accessible to the public. The passwords are necessary in the members-only areas to protect the members' privacy. Before a person can become a member and have access to the members-only areas, they will have to be verified as reputable Drymarchon keepers and/or breeders and will be required to submit their information.
I will personally screen every member application, call upon other members for reference if needed, and then make the decision as to whether to grant membership and access. The information relating to members and their collections will be tightly controlled. General data gathered from the collection of breeding data, etc., may be made publicly available, but it will just be numbers. It will not be in a format that could be referred back to any individual.

The purpose of the website will be to collect and interpret data related to breeding and keeping Drymarchon, so that we might eventually achieve more sustainable success with these species. It is not intended to be a public discussion forum, that's what KS is for. The intent and scope of the website is narrow and specific.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

And can keep any species of Drymarchon except Eastern Inigos. Since the proposed site is for the genus Drymarchon rather than a single species we Floridians can still benifit.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

>>And can keep any species of Drymarchon except Eastern Inigos. Since the proposed site is for the genus Drymarchon rather than a single species we Floridians can still benifit.
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>>Frank
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>>"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Yep, that's the whole idea. There would be data for all of the Drymarchon. (including the super-rare Tri-color Cribo).
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

I think it's a great idea. My only complaint would be "Why haven't we done this YET ?"

If you want to see more about my scrolling message, go to my site, and click on the "rant" button. This isn't a political forum, so I'll say no more. You can e-mail me through my site, if you have something to add/subtract.

Thane
Thanes Place

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Liberalism: a mental disease.

Thane

OK Mr. G.

You've succeeded where others have failed. You've called me out in public here .
In my ire a few months ago I actually went so far as registering Drymarchon.org and Drymarchon.net for three years. Additionally I purchased server support for same...until I decided it wouldn't be worth the effort and I began questioning my motivations for taking these actions.

That having been said, there is no use duplicating expenditures or effort. I can resurrect (hopefully) these and provide you access if there is enough interest.

Would recommend establishing a mailing list of sorts as a beginning rather than clobbering KS as a first step. If there is sincere interest I'm willing to throw my hat back in the ring for what I consider to be an essential effort for this wonderful animal.

Regards,
Jeff Nichols

>>OK Mr. G.
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>>You've succeeded where others have failed. You've called me out in public here .
>>In my ire a few months ago I actually went so far as registering Drymarchon.org and Drymarchon.net for three years. Additionally I purchased server support for same...until I decided it wouldn't be worth the effort and I began questioning my motivations for taking these actions.
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>>That having been said, there is no use duplicating expenditures or effort. I can resurrect (hopefully) these and provide you access if there is enough interest.
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>>Would recommend establishing a mailing list of sorts as a beginning rather than clobbering KS as a first step. If there is sincere interest I'm willing to throw my hat back in the ring for what I consider to be an essential effort for this wonderful animal.
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>>Regards,
>>Jeff Nichols

Hi Jeff! Your offer, sir, is gratefully accepted. We can correspond more via email and telephone and maybe we can get an opportunity to discuss further at Daytona.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

I know Doug Taylor has done a wonderful job with his indigo website and a lot of the things you mentioned are covered on his site.....but, hey, I am never opposed to more indigo stuff out there; it just might make more sense to coordinate this with Doug so that there isn't too much repetition. As far as password types of forums, I am one of those folks who doesn't like them too much ONLY because I always seem to forget my password; otherwise, its a great idea!

I particularly like your idea on trying to protect healthy bloodlines; if that is possible with couperi....we, as a community of indigo enthusiasts and breeders, need to closely monitor what is being done in the captive setting. The chondro folks seem to be doing a great job of this and having the indigo folks band together and do some strategizing seems to make a lot of sense. I am enjoying reading the other comments. Rob

Rob Carmichael, Curator of the Wildlife Discovery Center

>>I know Doug Taylor has done a wonderful job with his indigo website and a lot of the things you mentioned are covered on his site.....but, hey, I am never opposed to more indigo stuff out there; it just might make more sense to coordinate this with Doug so that there isn't too much repetition. As far as password types of forums, I am one of those folks who doesn't like them too much ONLY because I always seem to forget my password; otherwise, its a great idea!
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>>I particularly like your idea on trying to protect healthy bloodlines; if that is possible with couperi....we, as a community of indigo enthusiasts and breeders, need to closely monitor what is being done in the captive setting. The chondro folks seem to be doing a great job of this and having the indigo folks band together and do some strategizing seems to make a lot of sense. I am enjoying reading the other comments. Rob
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>>Rob Carmichael, Curator of the Wildlife Discovery Center

Yeah, I'm hoping that we can link the site with Doug's site (which, by the way is a great resource), and not duplicate efforts, but simply augment each other. Some of the data I hope to track is a little more in-depth than Doug's site is designed for. The site I have in mind will have forms to work with to collect data in a useable and manageable format and hopefully will track everything from clutch sizes to individual egg measurement data, incubation times and conditions, hatch rates, etc. Then this data will be tracked from year to year and hopefully will eventually yield a set of parameters that give best results. That is in addition to tracking bloodlines (studbook info). Hopefully we will then have data to work with so that we can cooperatively plan breeding projects to ultimately end up with the most diverse captive populations we can have of each subspecies (or species, depending upon which taxonomy you choose to use) that is presently being kept and bred in U.S. collections.

I really think that password protecting the parts of the site that deal with specifics about an individual's collection is necessary. I think that if an individual wants people to have access to that information, he can put it out for public viewing on his own. I think that any personal or specific information provided by a member for this project should be kept to those who have a need to see it, and for purposes that are conducive to the needs and interests of the member.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

Hi guys,

I really like the idea that "Ye Olde Herper" is tossing around. If it seems better to maintain that info on a separate site, I'm fine with all that. I would gladly link or ad to indigosnakes.com anything that we would all find useful.

I think experimenting with different formats and focus points is good for the hobby and maybe this could set the standard for the rest of the herpetoculture.

Happy herping,

Doug T

>>Yeah, I'm hoping that we can link the site with Doug's site (which, by the way is a great resource), and not duplicate efforts, but simply augment each other. Some of the data I hope to track is a little more in-depth than Doug's site is designed for. The site I have in mind will have forms to work with to collect data in a useable and manageable format and hopefully will track everything from clutch sizes to individual egg measurement data, incubation times and conditions, hatch rates, etc. Then this data will be tracked from year to year and hopefully will eventually yield a set of parameters that give best results. That is in addition to tracking bloodlines (studbook info). Hopefully we will then have data to work with so that we can cooperatively plan breeding projects to ultimately end up with the most diverse captive populations we can have of each subspecies (or species, depending upon which taxonomy you choose to use) that is presently being kept and bred in U.S. collections.
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>>I really think that password protecting the parts of the site that deal with specifics about an individual's collection is necessary. I think that if an individual wants people to have access to that information, he can put it out for public viewing on his own. I think that any personal or specific information provided by a member for this project should be kept to those who have a need to see it, and for purposes that are conducive to the needs and interests of the member.
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>>We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson