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Lost moniter, help wanted

SaddAnn Jul 25, 2004 02:26 AM

Hi

I didnt know there was this place when I asked at What Lizzard and they sent me here but I dont know anything even if somebody can help. What happened was I lost my friends big lizzard and I hope I can find one just like it but I dont know anything about breeds. Although he was a moniter breed I think. He was big about 4 foot but not like a savvana they showed me, he was blacker with patchs in like belts around him, and his nose was more like a dog. Do savvana moniters come in different colors or something. I saw a tay-yoo too but that was to skinny and his skin was shinyer to be my kind but the color was more like that.

It looks like there are more breeds than savvana and tay-you moniters right? I need somebodys help to learn what breed and how I can get another one. He was big about 4 foot and blackish with tan patchs around his waist maybe his head too, and he had really big sharp paws. He got away becuz I got scared when I tried to give him the meat like I was told to and he came out really fast, then, my dog chased him and he went down the street into the sewer. I'm sorry to not know a lot but he wasnt mine and now its a mess.

Can anybody say what maybe he was. Thank you so much, God Bless.

Ann

Replies (17)

DrGonzo Jul 25, 2004 11:43 AM

please say this is a joke? How old are you? Someone left you in charge of a large monitor when you have no expirience? That is absolutely crazy.

there are many many species of monitors... without expirience you will never know whick kind it was...

...I can't say anything more now because if what you are saying is true... DO NOT GET ANOTHER LIZZARD... the owner is DEFINATELY not responcible enough to own one especially to just pawn it off on a friend without Detailed instructions... I mean... how did it get out of its cage?!?!?!?

SaddAnn Jul 25, 2004 04:34 PM

Its no joke and no like I said I didnt know what I was doing, so thank you for agreeing with me. I was supposed to just give him a big peice of meat. just open the small door and throw it in. Like I said he comes flying out all the way and it scared me a lot cuz I didnt want him to bite me and he was sure going to. Then the dog came cuz I screamed and the two of them went all across the yard and down the street. A kid said it went inthe sewer and that was where my dog was too looking down there.

But you are saying nobody can help me over what kind he is. Is that just becuze I said yeah I wasnt ready for him to be so fierse, he hasnt been before when I saw him. Does wanting food make a tame one mean.

I'm old enough to handle the lecture Doctor ,26, so maybe anybody can at least give me something to go on for what kind. You bet I feel bad and dumb, I can learn you know if I get a chance here. Does it sound like a monitor ,see I learned that, to you.

Ann F.

skyliner Jul 25, 2004 06:03 PM

the description you gave is to loose to say what type it is,sorry i cant be of more help.

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see yah laterz people
jason

bloodbat Jul 25, 2004 11:01 PM

This thread sounds so much like a previous one a few weeks ago where a regular member decided to play a "joke" (I really hate it when people decide to play that same joke. It is childish and stupid and really detracts from the point of this forum - I wish Ksnake would ban people who play that "joke".

That said, I will walk into this one, just in case you are actually serious...

If you lost your friend's monitor, you cannot replace it without your friend knowing. The replacement will have a different appearance, act differently, and probably be a different size - especially if it was big when you lost it. Large monitors are hard to find. I would know if someone replaced any of my large monitors and some of the small ones too. You will just have to be honest and tell your friend you lost it, and offer to replace it at that time. That way you can avoid getting the wrong lizard and avoid making your friend even more upset.

Your description is not sufficient to identify which monitor it was. There are a lot of monitor species. Some of the larger ones are: blackthroats (which look similar but not entirely like a savannah monitor), nile monitor, ornate monitor (which looks a lot like a nile but bulkier including a bulky head), water monitor, crocodile monitor, and argus (there are three similar species in this complex that look very much alike except to people who keep them) looking monitors.

If this post is serious, be honest and best of luck to you.

If this post is another joke, I really hope Ksnake boots you.
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^x^ Bloodbat ^x^
Monitors, monitors everywhere
and all the food they ate.
Monitors, monitors everywhere,
their parents loved to mate.

SaddAnn Jul 26, 2004 12:55 AM

OK I can see that this is a guy thing here but thank you for helping anyway. I looked at many pictures and they are so different Ill just own up to my mistake and get him something else.

It was some kind of water monitor I'm sure now from pictures but lace and crocodiles monitors are really pretty. Maybe thats what Ill get. No more questions I read here all day and its like a guy thing all control trips and stuff. Well not all but alot.

God Bless

Ann

drgonzo Jul 26, 2004 01:22 AM

It has everything to do with caring more about the animal then about your feelings...

you probably just killed an animal that belonged to your friend.... your frind may have had hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars invested in this animal... money that means nothing without its survival...

please understand that when you say that your carelessness led to the escape and probable death of a beautiful animal may anger other monitor keepers.

we all make mistakes... but you must realize them and take responcibility for them... that is all I ask, Don't get mad unless it is at yourself... just learn...

and tell your friend that they were crazy for leaving their pet with someone who didn't even know what it was... your friend is mostly at fault here.

pgross8245 Jul 26, 2004 07:21 AM

Ann,
It is not a "guy" thing. I'm not a guy and I have the same opinion. Be honest. Even if you knew what kind of monitor it was and could find one, any decent owner would know it was not the same animal. These monitors have distinct personalties just like other pets. Use this as a learning experience. You have just learned not to take on a responsibility you are not prepared to handle. It is better to be upfront than to have to face what you must now do. You were looking for a simple answer and you have found it, honesty. Best of luck to you.

Pam

SaddAnn Jul 26, 2004 09:36 PM

Thank you Pam,

I do understand the lesson. I didnt ask for the job and the owner didnt plan to be away, and I'm sure not going to ask his buddys for help cuz thats why hes not here, OK. Theres a lot I did notknow and it dont help to ask and get pooed on.

Some kids said they saw an alligator in the water where the swamp woods at the end of the street are. I told them if they can catch it and not hurt it they will get a reward and now they got a big wire trap or cage from somewhere. Does it have to have meat in it. Oh sorry no more questions.

But thank you again Pam, God Bless.

Ann

SamSweet Jul 26, 2004 11:56 PM

Maybe you haven't any more questions, but here are a couple of answers anyway. Things like water monitors have a really acute sense of "smell" (by way of that tongue), and people do catch them in baited traps where they are native. Fish is good bait, and the smellier the better. Also, make sure that the trap is in the shade, or covered with something that will keep a lizard from getting overheated. Good luck on recovering the animal, it is definitely worth trying if it has been seen someplace.

FR Jul 26, 2004 11:01 AM

OK its not the first time.

I do think its a troll, You should know who. One poster somehow says, breed, not as an act of copulation, but in place of the word, species.(a whole bunch of these newbies do so, as well) Breeds, are used for different forms of the same species, ie, different breeds of dogs, cats, mice, rats, etc. While that is not the straw that broke the camels back, its just another piece of the puzzle(evidence).

A true test for a sick mind, is the ability to totally and completely change their style and appearance, so whomever is doing this, is not totally sick.

We all make common mistakes in our posts, lord knows I do, I guess somethings go unnoticed by the poster.

But I do long for the old days, when we could fight over the actual husbandry and keeping of monitors, like we are suppose to. Not over, real politics and religion, and I lost my friends monitor, Or how bad america is, heck, an american invented this KS deal(thanks JeffB) etc.

One poster caused a huge war with me, in his words, to make the forums entertaining, amoung other things. I wonder if all these posters with madeup names, are doing the same? You do understand, most real newbies, use their own name or a version of that.(thats part of being a newbie)(more evidence)

Of course, it could be new blood, someone from another forum, looking for new victims. It really does not matter who it is anyway. If these newbies are real, they simply need a new forum for the ultra dumb. Not just the mildly dumb like me.

I am also not sure if any of this is harmful. Yes, lots of people are being mislead, but then, its been that way for decades. Misleading information is commonplace, in literature, journals, Scientific papers, TV, newpapers and these forums.

We should understand, that the bar has been raised, both with real monitor husbandry and the pranks that newbies must figure out. Maybe KS should also inform readers that none of this has to be real. I think this forum should of had that warning from day one.

I just wish that KS would settle on what it wants this forum to be, because if it wants gamesmenship, boy I like games. But, I do like monitor husbandry better.

Our forum is real, but at times reality is boring, or at least slow. Ficton is as fast as you want it to be and very entertaining. I guess theres room for both. FR

kap10cavy Jul 26, 2004 07:19 PM

Finally a post I only had to read once. I usually walk across the room, pound my head against the wall and re read your post before I understand what you are saying.
It usually makes sense eventually.lol

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

FR Jul 26, 2004 10:56 PM

I really do not expect anyone to understand what I am saying about monitors, how could they? I say things with over 2000 clutches of over 20 species, over 13 years experience. Thats with all the good and all the bad that occurred with all that. So yes, I really do not expect anyone too.

But I do wish they would think about what experience means. Like, what would you think if you had seven or more generations of the monitors you have? Would it be what you think now? of course not.

I mentioned several years ago, that when I started, I read as many books and papers are I could. I had to read the books over and over and over. I did so, because when I first started, my experience did not allow me to understand the books properly. Of course, after many years of experience and many generations, and lots of time in the field, most of the books fell by the wayside, they no longer had value. I hope you understand Scott. Thanks FR

kap10cavy Jul 26, 2004 11:31 PM

That is why I read everything you post. Experience, plain and simple, you have the experience, I have little compared to you. So I read and watch my monitors, I have learned that watching them is better than any book I will ever find. Yet I still read and try to understand better what I am seeing.
I use you, Mr. Retes, as an example when trying to explain something simple. Like why use dirt when the people at Petco said use sand. Hope you don't mind, I call you the Godfather of monitors.lol

Scott

PS. No I am not
kissing up for a deal on
an argus cross. lol
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

FR Jul 27, 2004 09:28 AM

George Horn or someone else. I may be, the hitman of monitors, hahahahahahahahahaha. My ability was to concentrate and focus.

I have always been a R&D fella(research and development) in all the fields I have worked in. With an emphasis on development. Many monitor fellas do the research, but fail to apply it to development.

When coming into any field, my job was to eliminate what was not needed and concentrate on what was, then keep focused on the goal. Things like, hibernation, UV, photoperiod, were not what was needed, but instead, a wider temp range, curing social problems, and understanding feeding was what needed attention. My job was to target what was needed and shoot it, hence the Hitman.

So, I shot the monitors, bred the heck out of them. But unfortunately, that peed off, the talkers(ones that don't do) Oh well, can't please everyone, don't care too.(see the focus part)

I heard a funny thing the other day, most of my friends are snake keepers, one was talking to an Ozzie and the subject of monitors and me. The Ozzie said, Yup, I heard of FR all right, hes the one who breeds the peas(heck) out of monitors, the "wrong way". I had to laugh my arse off. The reason I can laugh is, the goal is to breed monitors, then if you do, there is no wrong way. The reality is, at sometime in the future when breeding monitors is commonplace, then we can decide which method is better, but as of now, how can you critizie a successful method, when you cannot do it, in any way or fashion?

It really was very simple, the goal was to breed monitors. The tools to be used, anything availible(specially from home depot and costco) The result is baby monitors. That we have done. It boils down to this, all the Baylesses and Sweets in the world can argue(talk) all they want, but they failed to produce a product. So, its only talk, and talk does not DO anything. Doing does. You see, research suppose to lead to development, not research for the sake of research, that leads to talk and no doing. Again the reality of science is the result, not the problem, the goal of science is the result, again not the problem. The reality of our world is the product, not the machine, method or factory. In both cases, the result or the product, is what is to be judged, not whether the researcher or the factory was rude. Again its simple, its the result or product that predicts the quality of the method. Too bad those talkers do not understand that.

Whats so darn funny about those folks is, all I had to do was be rude or misspell words, to distract them from their focus. Talk about lack of concentration.

Your job as a keeper is to practice keeping, which means to do. Remember, we practice husbandry, which is like practicing medicine, we're suppose to keep doing it, until we get it right(produce benefitual results or products). Also consider, application is more important than method. So as Nike says, just do it. hahahahahahahaha FR

p.s. the mention of the, baylesses and sweets, was not about them directly, but instead, those like them. Which are legion. FR
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LizardMom Jul 27, 2004 10:27 PM

I actually understood your post. Seriously, though, love the picture, as usual. But for those of us (like me) who are 'monitor identification impared,' Can you list the species from top to bottom. I think the top is an argus-flavi cross, and the third one down is a lacie. Am I right?

Leslie

FR Jul 28, 2004 10:14 AM

Hi Leslie, The top is a really beautiful cross that now lives in Calif. Then a Pure V.gouldi, then a lacie, then a pure Argus.

That picture is one of my favorites. Taken with no real intent or agenda. I was moving monitors around and just grabbed a handful and decide to take a pic. Went outside and there it is. Cheers FR

LizardMom Jul 28, 2004 08:48 PM

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