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Western Hognose deaths...

RichH Jun 22, 2003 05:02 PM

Greetings, we keep a relatively large collection of herps and have had 3 deaths occur this past year involving only Western Hognose. All 3 cases were similar and extremely sudden.

All 3 incidents occured pretty much as follows. A large adult hognose "that appears fine" in all aspects comes out of a shed cycle. Within hours gasping/gaping for air with violent lunges. Not constantly but when occurs (gasping) appears very violent, twisting and such. Basically dead within 3 days.

First one about a year ago was an adult female we kept in a rack system. Once noticed I increased the heat to 92 on the warm side with a gradient to 82 on the cool side. Delayed bringing her to the vet as thinking the heat may help. She perished in 2 days.

Second incident was a very large male similar situation but had a vet check him with baytril adminstered within 24 hours. This one lived only 12 more hours.

Third incident involved another large female. Baytril injections, high heat and this one lasted 3 days. Injections given daily.

Mind you these 3 had no discharge (fluid) from their lungs during this. I speculate a few things, condensation, inadequate ventilation as such to bring upon a severe R/I. Then again, all 3 of these were purchased as large adults with no age data. I assume most likely WC and although treated with the general items, flagyl and panacur I am curious to know if maybe not R/I at all.

Anyone else have similar experiences? This last female is in deep freeze where I will contact the vet tomorrow and discuss further exploration (if still possible) for an accurate identification of the cause.

In 25 plus years of keeping herps we have not had any other herps pass on so unexpectingly in such a manor. We basically always knew when and why a herp was ill. Could be coincidence, since they may have been oldtimers, but I think not. Thoughts?

Thanks

Replies (3)

oldherper Jun 22, 2003 05:37 PM

Sounds to me like the symptoms associated with paramyxovirus.

RichH Jun 23, 2003 04:57 AM

Yes, it does appear an avenue of exploration as similaritys do exist. The 3 affected hognose did come from the same dealer along with one more individual which shows no signs of ill health (which means nothing as I have heard when dealing with this virus). I am not personally aware of documentation associated with hognose shown exhibiting Ophidian Paramyxovirus(OPMV) yet symptoms appear similar.

Actually I do not know much of this virus and thought it primarily targeted vipers. Hopefully this will remain isolated to these specific hognose but only time will tell. I have isolated this group and if the culprit turns out to be OPMV I'm sure this group will show additional signs of it within the next several weeks.

I will mention this possibility to my Vet and offer the latest victim up for testing. Thanks for your input as OPMV never did come to mind.

willie t. Jul 18, 2003 12:07 AM

I had the same thing happen to one of my Large female hognose's she shed and and was acting funny with her hissing, then she ate a mouse so I figured she was fine, but the next day she was dead.

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