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Hi I'm new to Boa forum. I have a question for all of you.
I recently saw a ad for poss. het for hypo boas. Now heres my question. Can you have a possible het hypo? I was told awhile back that either a boa was hypo or it wasn't. thanks to everyone who answers my question.

Hypos as they are known and used in the Boa Breeding community generally refers to either The Salmon, Orange Tail or Nic Hypos all of which are co-dominant meaning just what you said. Either the Boa is a Hypo or it is not a hypo, no Hets for hypo on any form that I know of that is being bred.
I hope this helps
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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

Jason, you're going to have to get in on this... but I don't think that this trait has been proven to be a recessive mutation- which it would have to be in order for a "50% possible het" label to apply.
Matt Schubarth
Pet Nebula
2100 Stephens #116
Missoula, Montana 59801
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Well, not sure what this is supposed to prove, but that animal is a different beast all together. As far as solid white bellys go, I have a dumerils whos belly is atleast 98% white EXTREMELY LOW speckling....so are you indicating he may be a hypo? Here's a dorsal pic of him

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By a "complete expression" in a homozygous recessive trait, I mean that they should have an across the board reduction in black pigment. Not just on the back or the face.
Matt Schubarth

And which of the hypos fit what your describing? I really hope your not using this last pic I posted as your grounds for arguing the hypos. It was just an animal which has an almost solid white belly in reference to your arancio question. Take care

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Jason & Danica
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Classic Dums frozen feeders

there is no relation what so ever between arancio and the hypo, Ive explained this before. Arancio is second generation from some of the origanal line brought into the US and the hypo is from a swedish line brought in during the 90's from sweeden. No relation whats so ever, ive already explained this last time you said they were the same. I gotta run into town ill post more later
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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

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Classic Dums frozen feeders

Well, I'm not Jason, but I'll get in on it anyway. Jason has spelled this out a few times and even within his own ad. Short version..Hanley bred two "normal" dumerils, and produced a hypo. Me-bought adult female mother of hypo and siblings to hypo, Jason-bought adult male father of hypo and hypo. I bred siblings together last year and produced hypo(normal appearing adults producing a morph indicates, but may not prove, the gene is recessive. Jason bred father back to hypo and produced, although full term and crushed, another hypo. So, within my own collection, I have the mother, the original siblings, and outcrossed 66% POSSIBLE HETS and 50% POSSIBLE HETS...if in fact the gene is recessive. So, within this one line of dumerils I've produced the hypo the recessive way, and Jason produced one which could be considered recessive OR "Co-Dom" if you'd discount my breeding all together and assume for arguement sake that the female hypo is a "co-com". This all sort of cracks me up, I have GIVEN a couple of my possible hets to a couple friends, and held the rest back for myself. Jason has given the entire story, and offered the 50% possible hets for sale. It seems you would be calling him a liar??? He is not misrepresenting anything, if you don't buy the background info, then you don't buy it, but it is what it is. You have also stated you were searching for a "morph" of dumerils to spark the interest of them back up or something to that affect, yet you have in no uncertain terms slammed this "project" on every given chance. I think your first negative comment was how they looked like ANY premature baby dumerils that you had produced, and were going to show us pictures, yet we've seen nothing up to this point. I can guarantee you that the "hypos" don't look anything like a premature dumerils I've had within my own collection, and I'm working with over 30 dumerils within my own collection, so I have seen a litter or two. If something new in the dumerils world is what your looking for, roll with it, and maybe your not trying to go out and slam Jason deliberately, but it sure seems that way to me. Take care!

Paul

I am of the mind that to be hypos they should be brown not black. That's why I asked about Arancio, he is so clean, he is THE BEST Dumerils I've seen as far as a clean goes. Maybe you know, is his belly pure white or is it speckled gray like all Dumerils? Your "hypo" is very nice, too. But, to me, only shows a reduction of pattern, not black, on a highly pink body. And the "hypo" you produced, which I can only see his head and part of a neck, looks just as the mother. At least take a better picture of him and maybe a full body shot. You are also right, in that, I'd like to see a quality morph to pick up the dumerils market. But I don't think whats been done so far constitutes a proven recessive trait.
Later-
Matt Schubarth

Forgive me if I am misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you are saying that Jason claims Arancio is a hypo. The way I understood it is Jason has a hypo dumerils and Arancio which he coined "Arancio phase". I believe the two animals are completely unrelated. I may be wrong, but hopefully Jason can clear this all up.

Matt Crabe

This 2 year old male was produced by 2 normal adults. I have not proven anything yet but I feel that there is a good chance something genetic is going on here. Note the orange tongue.

Yours is identical to my arancio, drop me an email, id like to talk to ya on the phone concerning this project mne as well has the range tongue pre white belly etc. Id like to do some owrk with yours was we both get some young cross breeding to see if were both working with the same gene. thanks Jason
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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating/Can't find a good reason, can't find hope to believe in/...You can't change the state of the nation we just need/ some motivation...So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating(Sum41 Still Waiting)

Classic Dums frozen feeders

The arancio phase and hypo are two totally unrelated lines of animals. I aproduced the arancio animal. Arancio is italian for bright brilliant orange which totally fits him. The orange is hard to capture but anyone that has seen him in person can tell you his head and down his back are orange liuke a hunter jacket. at this point I believe he is codom from a litter I had last year. they were still born but two were identical and two were normal. the hypo line came from kevin hanley and it a totally differant bloodline and has abosulty nothing to do with the arancio line except for the fact I have them both and plan to cross bred them next year. So please Biophiliacs(sorry if I miss spelled that) understand these are two totally differant line, no relation to one and other what so ever.

mdc thankl you, you are 100% correct

sorry if I sound grouchy guys ive only had one cup of coffee this am so im not totally awake
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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating/Can't find a good reason, can't find hope to believe in/...You can't change the state of the nation we just need/ some motivation...So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating(Sum41 Still Waiting)

Classic Dums frozen feeders

I hope your not referring to the pic I just posted above??? I in now way consider him to be anything other than a tad abnormal in color/pattern. And he is NOT a cross. If you think his pattern makes him a cross, you should see the reduced patterned dumerils I have, you'd swear some were Mad. Grounds. Take care!

Paul

I could really see that pattern produced with an animal that has Madagascar Ground Boa in his line. I am in no way stating that you would do such a thing. But as I'm sure you know intergrades do exist. One example I am thinking of a is message I got from a guy the other day in which he purchased some imported Dumerils from the Swedish Zoo. In that message he stated that the parent dumerils at that zoo weere 12 feet! A top end Dumerils is 8-9 feet. These animals from that zoo certainly have some Ground Boa in them.
Matt

See, I would consider all that way too much hear say to base an opinion on. Are they really 12'? People tend to stretch size with snakes quite often. Are you absolutely certain a dumerils can not reach more than 9'? If so, HOW are you certain? Would you automatically assume any dumerils you might find over 9' a cross? I've seen zoo stock ground boa adults under 7' long...were they dumerils x grounds? The one way you could find out is to have the sheds looked at for DNA that would probably be the only SURE way. We've had that done with some of our animals and used sheds from other breeders Ground boas and compared with previous data. So, calling my animal a cross in your post header wasn't really appreciated as you based your opinion solely on a variance in pattern. Are there crosses out there....sure. Does an animal not meeting the "standard requirements" dictate a cross...not in my opinion. Take care!

Paul

Ive explained it before arancio and the hypo are two totally differant animal, arancio is second generation from some of the niamls imoprted back in the early 80's before madagascar got shut down. The hypo is from a sweish line imported into the US in the 90's theres no comparison, thats it they share no blood relation nor are they the same trait
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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating/Can't find a good reason, can't find hope to believe in/...You can't change the state of the nation we just need/ some motivation...So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating(Sum41 Still Waiting)

Classic Dums frozen feeders

>I recently saw a ad for poss. het for hypo boas. Now heres my question. Can you have a possible het hypo? I was told awhile back that either a boa was hypo or it wasn't. thanks to everyone who answers my question.

Either a boa is a hypo or it isn't. You have a possible het for hypo when you do not know whether a boa has a pair of hypo mutant genes or one hypo mutant gene paired with a normal gene. Whether the animal has one or two hypo mutant genes, it has the hypo appearance. If the snake looks normal, then it has no hypo genes at all.

In my opinion, an ad containing the words "poss. het for hypo boas" means one of two things. Either the seller has no clue to the genetics of hypo, or the seller is swindling buyers who have no clue to the genetics of hypo. I would ignore the ad.

If you decide to respond to the ad, get a picture of the snake before you buy. No picture = no sale. Normal appearance of the snake = no sale. This assumes that you want a hypo rather than a normal boa.

Hope this helps.

Paul Hollander

Oops. change "boa" to "boa constrictor" everywhere in the above post.

Paul Hollander