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Here are the boys just out of their eggs!

Enjoy

Joe & Wes

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Those are so cool.....How can u not like them??? Congrats Wes and Joe....Naw I'm waiting too see what the mojave x spider cross brings.....Good job!!
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Good job you two.

Al
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All the best guys, good luck.

Michael

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Paul Snyder
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16.10 Ball Pythons (various types)
1.0 Pastel Motley Cornsnake
1.0 Motley Cornsnake
0.1 Bubblegum Snow Cornsnake
0.1 Candycane Cornsnake
0.1 Albino Lavender Kingsnake
1.0 50/50 Desert Kingsnake
1.0 Banana Pinstripe Kingsnake
0.1 Leucistic Texas Ratsnake
2.1 Siamese Cats
0.1 Wife

np

? -- Given you know what the parents are - Lesser male and Mojave female. What do you think the offspring will be to normal? This one may seem obvious, but what then do you think RDRs Lucys offspring will be? of course het Lucys but... Mojaves, yellow bellies(phantoms), lessers...
Thanks in advance.

GOD Bless
Andre
ASFReptiles

Keep up the great work!

I would expect that the three leucistics produced from lesser X phantom will produce about 50% lessers and 50% phantoms and no normals or leucies when bred to a normal.

I would expect the two leucies produced from platy X phantom to produce the same because I believe that a platy is a lesser that also happens to be homozygous for a dilution gene which I don't think is needed for leucistic (although it might effect the eye color of the leucistic).

I would expect the three leucistics produced from platy X lesser to produce all lessers bred to a normal since I believe that the platy _is_ a lesser something else.

I would expect the two leucistics produced from lesser X mojave to produce about 50/50 lessers and mojaves, again with no normals and no leucistics, when bred to a normal.

All of this is based on the theory that lesser, phantom, and mojave are different mutations of the same gene (alleles).

If they are all the same mutation of the same gene with differences in appearance due to one or more other gene then you would still not get any normals from leucy X normal but there would perhaps be a little more trouble picking out lesser from phantom from mojave, especially further down the line and especially if there is more than one modifying gene. With corn snakes the debate still goes on as to if the once distinct motley and striped genes are alleles or the same exact mutation. They started out fairly different but now are so mixed together that a continuum is seen between the original two types.

If they are different mutations of different genes as originally thought and it turns out that some how they interact to create a leucistic then leucistic X normal should be able to produce some leucistics and some normals in addition to the grandparent types (lesser, mojave, and/or phantom). If the different genes aren't even on the same chromosomes then leucistic X normal would produce about 25% leucistic and about 25% normals. I don't think this scenario is very likely based on how much lesser, mojave, and phantom look alike (butter too). Maybe more disparate looking combos like pewter and ebony will get this sort of a split. It will be interesting to see.

It would also be interesting to know what has already been produced by the at least four past leucistic breedings (two for Peter Kahl’s girl, one for NERD’s girl, and at least 1 for whoever bred the deceased male Snoopy). Did all of their babies look the same? Where any normal? I wouldn’t necessarily think that yellow belly and fireball are linked to lesser/Mojave/phantom but who knows. At least I wouldn’t expect them to come out of leucistics that didn’t have a yellowbelly parent.

It's faint, but it at least looks like it... they look like they still have the stripe that goes along the side of a ball pythons head normally... says to me that they are not true leucistic. Nice snakes though.

Did you ever see a leucistic Texas rat snake with grayish scales on it? I have. It may be the pic.
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CB

"I'm a truckin bassmole, and proud of it"

Man do you people have to be so negative all the time...the snakes are awesome....
I'm thinkin...sniff sniff.....I smell...sniff...some jealousy.....

Congrats guys...they look great...
hmmmm.....how are you gonna identify between leucies?......you ought to send one to me so you don't get them confused....lol
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

Whatever you're seeing will most likely become opaque white as they mature. And yes, my 5' female leucy rat has one or two grey scales as well as smokey BLUE eyes.

It really wouldn't matter if you called them leucistic or snowflake or whatever, the fact that someone hatched a WHITE ball pythons with BLUE eyes is incredible! Way to go Wes!

Paul
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16.10 Ball Pythons (various types)
1.0 Pastel Motley Cornsnake
1.0 Motley Cornsnake
0.1 Bubblegum Snow Cornsnake
0.1 Candycane Cornsnake
0.1 Albino Lavender Kingsnake
1.0 50/50 Desert Kingsnake
1.0 Banana Pinstripe Kingsnake
0.1 Leucistic Texas Ratsnake
2.1 Siamese Cats
0.1 Wife

those are not patterns. They're blood vessels, which are prominent due to the absence of skin color. I bet you can also see their organs from underneath. Besides, those pics were taken after they hatched and they haven't even shed yet. They'll loose the redness as they grow and will get bone white with blue eyes! It sends chills down my spine just thinking about an adult leucy ball. Those are definitely leucistics, and the most beautiful of any snake I've ever seen.

They look great to me, pure blue-eyed lucy all the way! Mark Petros

Great snakes, but the lucies look like they don't have any clothes on to me.