Matt what exactly is your point with that?
“I had asked him what mechanism the trait was working under and how much would a hypo be worth.” What mechanism are you talking about? All you asked about was the price
Your email to me asking about the hypo in full on 7-7-04
“I too have been dealing with a very similar exotic animal ownership senate
bill for the last year. We've just arrived to the point were the committies
are meeting to decide what is going to be banned. It has a state wide
effect and is an obvious attempt to phase out exotics. Fight them to the
bone my friend. I'm appreaciative for all your info on the hypo morph. Very
exiting that it could be a mendalian trait rather than a co-dominant type,
I love market stability. If I may ask what did you pay or what do you think
the current market value is on the hypo morph? I'm sorry I didn't get off
the money today, but be confident that I'm a buyer not a BS'er. I'll get it
off tomorrow for sure. Hope that's not a problem.
Later-
Matt”
My response in full same day
“Thats cool no big deal, as far as the hypo I really have no idea, ive just been trying to prove it out lol, proablly in the $2500-5 area if they look like mom, the baby in the pic had alot more contrast then mom, I really dont know ive been on this for close to five years now and at the current rate it will take till 2015 or something till I have any for sale LOL Once I get some and see what their like and how string they are Ill worry about $ values, as far as the laws were living on barrowed time I dont see this hobby lasting longer then 10yrs or so, theres a few people that care and want to do something, then theres some who will write a letter but wont put any more effort in then that and theres alot that wont do anything because they only want to take what they can while they can, many of the being the key players making the big money, that would actually have a little impact if they got involved but there to worried about trying to produce their next purple poka a dot ball python they can get 50g's for to care, I hope I am wrong but I thinnk in 10yrs this whole industry is going to be turned upside down, the humaniacs are trying to shut us down by passing these laws and choking us out to the point that there wont be enough people left where it legal to own these animals for anyone to make a living doing this, or to be able to sell a ball pythns for 20g's, someday well be confined to just a few states and living out in the boonies in those because the humaniacs are using fear and doing it well to get these laws passed in the big cities, no one in any of the cites that ban pythons is going to invest 15g's into a spider ball for fear of being turned in and the city taking it, ive been around since 88 and have seen this thing come full swing, 80's everyone was underground because we were all looked at like losers, 90 reptiles became mainstream and everyone wanted one, Mid 90's if you went ot a show and didnt sell every animal on your table you were either selling iggy's or your prices were outragious, 98 or 99 everything hit the downhill side and since then the laws have come about, up until that suet by HSUS to ban reptiles nationally a couple years back, aside from that every once in a rare while you would hear of a township banning them, more time then not because some idiot kid with a 12ft burm scared the mayors wife when he paraded his snake down the street, , I can acount for 4 differant cities and states within the last few weeks that have popped up, so I dunno its sure going to be a ride, if were lucky well get by with the smaller snakes, who knows, anyway just let me know when it goes out Ill keep an eye out for it thanks Jason”
Now he is trying to use this statement “as far as the hypo I really have no idea, ive just been trying to prove it out lol, probably in the $2500-5 area if they look like mom”
which was a sarcastic statement about my (ive just been trying to prove it out lol) track record with slugs Im 2 for 5 this year and last year I slugged everything. All I was referring to is I would worry about $ value of the hypos once I had hypos on the ground. Weve proven this trait through two breedings now. If I am not sarcastic and try to have a laugh about slugging out thye way I have been it stresses me as it would anyone else.
If your referring to this statement “Once I get some and see what their like” I was referring to was how colorful they would be, I am sure Ill get some that don’t look as good as others and of course the price will vary.
IN any event, the thing I think is the most entertaining part. He is trying to use the above email to show I am some kind of crook who misrepresent his animals yet on 7-9-04 he still sent me money .After I made the statement he is now trying to use. Not one but two days after receiving the email above. If I am such a crook then after having two days to think about my crooked ways did you still spend money with me? Is it because you know I am not a crook and your jealous? Is it because your mad that I told you I wouldn’t sell to you after you insulted me? Or are you just simply mad that you think your experience(which you have yet to comment on) is above everyone else’s and your pissed I wont take your advice concerning me breeding Arancio to the hypo?
Below is the email he sent me 7-9-04 confirming payment sent. Two days after he now claims to realize I am a crook.
“Hello-
I got the money order off today, sent it priority with the post office.. so
should have it by Monday. USPS# 2907770801. Geez, are we of like mind on
the exotic thing. The comment about the "all exotic ban in 10 years" pretty
much sums it up. But I just don't really state that since most would just
think I'm paranoid. Its becoming a reality, brother. Good point on the big
breeders though. I'm impressed that PIJAC ponied up the dough for
lobbyists. Could you send me some pics of the Dumeril? Shipping address
below for when you get paid.
Thanks-
Matt Schubarth”
Now lets see a quote from the above post by Matt” Date July 7 2004, the week he sold me a Dumerils from an unrelated line...”
An email I sent to Matt 7-13-04 the day the animal was shipped, which gave him 6 days to cancel the sale and 4 to ask for a refund since I am such a crooked person.
“Heres your fedex tracking number 847860891585, if the right people get involved it sounds like it could actually be a good system, save alot of reptiles, let me know when you get him thanks Jason”
Now considering you are trying to use my statement above against me please explain why on 7-29-04, 22 days after you received that email from me you said this
“Right now, I think you guys have only proven the "hypo" trait to be be genetic. Further breeding will probably prove them out to be a co-dom.”
22 days after the sarcastic remark you are now trying to use, YOU agreed this was a trait and somehow through your science, (you refuse to comment on) you even said it would be codom.
Now as further proof to the fact you are only trying to cause trouble. Six days after the remark he is now using I got this email from Matt, and of course because even he knows I am not a crook he doesn’t mention anything about me being a crook. Of course, because as he acknowledged on 7-29-04 there is no mention of my hypos being misrepresented or non genetic because once again he knows theres been enough work to prove them out as stated above in his quote. The only thing mentioned in the below email 6days after that comment is talk about the laws and asking if his dumerils went out as planned.
“Our state, passed a into law last year, a bill that sets up a review
committee to decide which exotic(non-native, non-domesticated) animals pose
a significant threat to native wildlife and human health. The committee was
originally setup with no oversite from the public, which is one of the few
additions hobbyists got tacked onto the bill. The author of the bill, from
the Audoban Society, was actually quite open minded to change. Her only
angle was intended to protect a native swan that had problems with a
non-native swan. She really wasn't the author, this bill has been around
for some time. Her flexibliity allowed for a list of exotics that would be
put on a non-controlled list, which was written into the bill before its
passage. However, the review committee is yet to meet to decide which
animal will be put on a controlled list(liscence) and which will be put on
the banned list. Items that were discussed as banned were rediculous. Bull
Frogs, some idiot had released tadpoles in a golf course pond and` they
morphed into frogs.. not sure what the problem really was though... as soon
as the winter chill hit.. they died. I'd like to get on the committee with
the intent to keep ALL exotics off that list, give them an inch they'll
take a light- year. As the bill now reads, it allows for a concerned
citizen(that's the girl from the Audoban) and an individual from the exotic
animal industry. The guy that has currently been put on the committee for
the industry has a limited scope for the current markets and has only bred
snake(however, he now only keeps them as pets). At one time, I bred over 30
species of reptile and amphibian, much lower now. But also breed a variety
of exotics; Capuchins and small cats among them which are sure to be put on
the controlled list. I'll probably be grandfathered in on them, but my
local market will evaporate. A real [bleep] storm. Anyway, did you get the
dumerils off today? Can I get the tracking #, if you did.
Thanks-
Matt Schubarth”
Nice friendly email wondering if his dumerils went out as planned. If he truly believed I was crooked he had every opportunity to back out. If that email truly is the clincher then why on the 29th did he agree the trait was proven even going as far to tell us it was codom. If that email on the 7th truly made him believe I was a crook then why did he continue to email me send me the quote below on the 9th after he received the animal and no longer had to worry about my crooked ways ripping him off.
“Jason and Danica-
Very nice dumerils. His contrast really brings out the pattern. Much more
cryptic that most, a unique boa. Thanks very much.”
At the very least I would tend to think if he truly believed what he now sasy I would have never heard from him again. In any event I thinks its apparent he is only trying to cause trouble. Could be for the reasons I stated above could be for a million others, who knows.
Matt Please if you are going to reply respond to this
Have you ever bred ground boas? Have you ever owned a ground boa?? Have you ever seen one in person, if so how many and what sizes? Please answer all three
And since we are discussing experience what has your experience taught you that an animal that had enough pressure on it, to kill it should look like? Should it look nice and vigorous like its ready for a hot date? or a little flattened out and less defined?
Oh heres a clip from an email you sent me “So, for now I'm sitting on 1.2 adults” That would make your experience….what……very limited? Now just to be clear we are talking about Dumerils not corn snakes mammals or any other species.
I as well as many others would still love to learn more about this mysterious science you failed to comment on; that has given you the knowledge to be able to tell by a pic that an animal is a trait. Also I would love to know how this science taught you to be able to tell what kind of trait an animal is even when it goes against the breeding trials? Oh and lastly I would love to hear an explanation of how this science taught you a white belly means its a genetic trait,
Now tell why did you changed your mind about the hypo??? And don’t waste my time saying its because the email above. Why don’t you just level with everyone and tell us your real reasons?
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Jason & Danica
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