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I'm just curious what the laws are as I've heard a few different things. I hear 1 per person alot. Well If I had one and a friend had one and we bred them is that against the law? What If I go out and buy c.b.b. with documents? What are the exact laws? Thanks in advance,

John Light
Pristine Pythons

These are one neat colubrid I'd love to own!

Reptile and Amphibian Regulations
August 9, 2002
Page 3

No person shall buy, sell, or possess for sale any Florida pine snake (Pituophis melanoleucus mugutis), nor shall any person possess more than one Florida pine snake, except that said restrictions shall not apply to amelanistic (= albino) specimens.
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0.0.1 "Tiger Rat"
1.0 Black Rat
0.0.1 Normal Corn
0.1 Anery Stripe
1.0 Okeetee
0.1 Leucistic Texas Rat
1.1 blue beauty

sucks that you can only have one! Why not more? Anyways if I had one and a friend of mine had one can we breed them? Release the babies or something to that effect?

John Light
Pristine Pythons

Cuda is exactly right in that you can have only one normal colored southern in Florida. They do consider the leucistic animals to be exempt also though. As far as breeding them with a friend when the babies hatched you would be immediately in violation and additionally release of any captive animal Indeginous or not is also against the law in Florida.

John Cherry
Cherryville Farms

Cherryville Farms - Reptiles

Anybody understand the reasoning behind this??

If they are scarce,I would enact a regulation that ENCOURAGES breeding them!!

I had one in college in the 70s, great snake, was hoping to get one now as part of my reptile renaissance.

Lloyd Heilbrunn

Palm Beach Gardens,Fl.

No idea....anyways I won't be getting him from my friend if I can't breed them. Now into keeping single animals. Anyways Thanks,

John Light
Pristine Pythons

John.............I've always wondered about the leucistic animals. They aren't exactly amels, since they have those black eyes. I will be looking to chat again with Kevin Enge this year at Daytona and see if this is indeed the current interpretation. I've mentioned on this thread in the past, the fact that I see "patternless southern pines" being sold at herp shows here in Florida. Sorry folks........but "southern pines" are mugitus, and patternless pines are not amels! Eventually, someone is going to get popped by Florida Fish and Game for using this terminology. You guys that have those nice patternless animals need to leave out the "southern" descriptor if you plan to sell those beauties here in the "Sunshine State"..........just my 2 cents..............Steve G

The reg does say amelanistic not leucistic.BUT it also says Florida Pine not Southern, so there is plenty of room for interpetation. Even possession can be confusing,if you and your spouse/roommate each own one, are you in violation?? I'll try to pull some enactment history tommorrow and see if it enlightens.

BTW,anybody know if this type of reg actually DOES anything?? Are there more Pines in the wild than there were before its enactment?

Maybe I'll ask the Indigo forum guys if these type regs have done anything for them.
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Lloyd Heilbrunn

Palm Beach Gardens, Fl.