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Does anyone know of any breeders of pure and legally documented P. m. molurus or P. m. pimbura? I see them for sale sometimes but no one seems to have any good lineage data on them and they don't always look pure bred. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Try Bob Clark at Bobclark.com

Sami
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0.1 Red Tail boa~Ariadnae
4.6 Rats~Rex, Winkin', Kanga, Noodle, Cy, Pyp, Symone, Vyolet, Onyx, Blinkin'
1.1 Dogs~Boots, Karrey
0.1 Cat~Roxanne

What kind of attitudes do these snakes have?

Robert,
Both females are quite docile and have never shown any aggression, although they have a very strong feeding response. The male acts fairly nervous when handled but has never struck or tried to bite.

Kelly

To the best of my knowledge the few P. m. pimbura that I have are of pure bloodline. They appear to show all the pattern and color attributes indicative of pimbura. Additionally, they show subcaudal counts in the upper 50's. The linage they originate from was acquired by Joe Pierce, I believe in the mid to early 1980's. They are sub-adults at this time and I have included a couple of photos below.

Kelly

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Does the Pimbura and Ceylonese have the same eye scale identification as Indians? I have also been told Pimbura is no longer a valid sub species of an Indian, they are all just Indians (true?). Here is a link to a good visual drawing on how to ID them in comparisson to burms:

http://www.markoshea.tv/series3/series03-02b.html

I have a male that is just under 6' and has been identified by a zoo and Bob Clark as a pure indian. He falls under the Indian eye scale ID but I wasn't sure if this goes for Pims and Ceylonese as well. Here is a pic of him.

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1.1 Woma Pythons
2.1 Olive Pythons
1.1 Granite Burmese Pythons
1.0 Indian Python
1.1 Eastern Indigos (waiting for hatchlings)
0.1 Ball Python (donation / rehab snake)

Forgot to mention my Indian??? is 7 years old, 6foot in length and kitten tame... N/P

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1.1 Woma Pythons
2.1 Olive Pythons
1.1 Granite Burmese Pythons
1.0 Indian Python
1.1 Eastern Indigos (waiting for hatchlings)
0.1 Ball Python (donation / rehab snake)

Definitely looks Indian to me. Pimbura does have the same scale configuration with the supralabials in contact with the eye just as in the Indian. Do me a favor and let me know what his subcaudal scale count is, I would be very interested to know. Pimbura are said to have a lower count but this was based on only a few specimens. CITES does not recognize pimbura as separate from molurus molurus and I believe that most have accepted this and look at them as geographical variants of the same species. Many, myself included, still refer to them as pimbura just as an easy way to identify them in a discussion. The main feature I see as different from the Indians is the head shape, pure pimbura have a classic and completely different structure, especially when seen in profile. Thanks,

Kelly

Wow, that is a beautiful looking snake.
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1.1 Ball Python 1.1 corn snake 1.0 Bearded Dragon 2.0 Solomon Island Boas 0.0.2 fish 1.2 cats 3.1 kids 1.0 husband

Very nice!!

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We need to know where you are at because unless you have a CITES liscence then it is illegal to transport them accross state lines. The last I knew cylonese were not recognize by cites as a seperate subspecies and were still catogorized with the Indian Python. The only place I know of that has true Indians is Prehistoric Pets in California. Todd

Todd is correct in that you will need a CBW permit issued by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife service to ship or recieve pimbura or molurus across State borders. Since pimbura = molurus according to CITES, the same permit is good for both. Apply well in advance, as I found out, because it will take several months to be issued. Additionally, there are a few other people in the U.S., besides Prehistoric Pets, working with pure Indians.

Kelly

I like the Original Indian Python that snake charmers used in their acts for years. They tame with some handling but some individuals are just more nervous than others. I find they are just more hyper at first and hiss a little but do not bite very often.

A Cites permit is "only required to purchase one across state lines (interstate commerce)" if you find a breeder in your state and can prove you live in the state, then you can purchase the snake and take it with you as your personal property even if you move to another state. Other than that if someone will "gift" one to you and no monitary transaction occurs, then you can get one shipped interstate since the law only regulates the interstate commerce of Appendix I listed species or subspecies (be sure a letter is in the shippment stating you are being gifted the specimens and no trade or sale occured).

Pimbura/molurus are treated the same by the USFW so pay attention to the laws. Usually if you look hard enough you can locate someone in the state you live in that produceses either pimbura or molurus.

good luck and glad to see the interest returning for the "pure" indian rock pythons and sri lankans. They are smaller than Burms and keep the colors better as adults.

Close-up of Indian Python's head.

Another shot of Indian Python