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Okay, This may sounds confusing, maybe even complicated. I know there are many out there who can answer this. This has been puzzling me for some time now, and I just cant find it anywhere and I need to ask someone.

Okay, I have 2 very heathly adult snakes, well, actually 3. Two are Cornsnakes - 1 male, 1 female. The female cannot breed until this next season coming up; and also have 1 Pueblan Milksnake which is a female.

There is a lot of Hybrids out there which people have matched together to try something new and see what you get. I know a lot of people out there dont agree with that, however despite that I am still looking to try and match my 4'8" ft male sunglo corn, to my 3'11" Pueblan.

Does anyone see a problem with this? I dont see how that would be possible, The June03' issue of Reptiles (magazine) had a Elaphe guttata x Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae hybrid.

Now the Sinaloan is a much smaller milksnake then the Pueblan, still only by a few inches, however, the corsnake is a much larger snake, so if it can be done with a sinaloan, why not a pueblan. Isnt a Pueblan also L. t. (something) possibly campbelli?

Anyways, im not sure if that matters too much.

Another question. Is there anything wrong about breeding snakes 'out of season' if they are willing to copulate anyways? Isnt the brumation period only really for the male to increase sperm count, and... it is however prior to breeding season.

Either way, I will begin starting my breeding projects this winter with my first snakes, Ive had an incredible success rate with my waterdragons this last year after the cooldown.

Well, if this made sence to anyone and if they could help me out, please follow up.. Thanks so much

Im going to finish now. Every book needs its end.
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~Lizards~
1.0 Savannah Monitor
1.0 Peach Throat Monitor
2.2 Green Water Dragons
0.1 Veiled Chameleon
1.0 Panther Chameleon
1.1 Brown Basilisks
~Snakes~
0.1 Sumatran Blood Python
1.1 Spotted Pythons
0.1 Hi-Yellow Ball Python
0.1 Amazon Tree Boa
0.1 Mexican Rosy Boa
1.1 Sinaloan Milksnakes
0.1 Pueblan Milksnake
0.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher Snake
1.1.1 Cornsnakes (Sunglow, Anerythistic, Hypomelanistic Okeetee)
Yea, I know I've gotta work on my spelling, thats my next goal.
~Josh

I saw your post on the cornsnake forum, my advice, stay here when it comes to hybrids. Your responces so far were polite, they usually arent

And I have found the people here to be mostly helpful, but there isnt a lot of traffic here, it goes pretty slow sometimes, and a lot of questions dont get answered.

I thought I'd try to help, though, I might not be any in the end. I produced my first hybrids this year. I crossed an amel male corn with a coastal California kingsnake female and got some very nice babies.

I am faily certain you can cross a corn and a Pueblan. I am pretty sure you can cross a corn with any milk or king. If I am wrong, please someone speak up.

What I did was put the male corn with the female king in a rubbermaid, she was doing the twitching thing, which I have experienced meant she was interested in the male (maybe I'm wrong but I have seen it in a few snakes) the male wasnt really interested, until I put a female corn in there too. So I had all three snakes together. I was concerned about the king attacking a corn, but she never even acted aggressive. The male definatly got interested in the corn, what I did next was keep the female corn up around the males face so he could smell her, while his tail did its thing with the cal king, thinking it was the corn. One thing that really got him goin was misting the rubbermaid lightly. Now, the male had brumated, but the female cal king had not and she laid 14 good eggs. The female corn I used was actually hatched in November 01, which I thought was pretty late in the year for corns, neither of her parents had brumated. So it can be done. It depends on the female really, the males seem to be ready at any time.

I hope that helps. I am by no means an expert, but I know it can be frustrating to get no responces.

FireDrake

np

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FireDrake

1.2 Corn Snakes
1.1 Tangerine Hondurans
1.0 Ball Python
0.1 California King Snake
2.0 Jungle Corn Snake
1.1 Mali Uromastyx
0.2 Bearded Dragons
0.1 Chilean Rose-hair Tarantula
0.1 Cinnamon Pearl Cockatiel
2.0 Society Finches
2.0 Bettas

Mark Bell has been producing Pueblan/Corn crosses for several years now. I've purchased F1 animals from him the last two years at Daytona. Some are absolutely beautiful. With luck I'll have F2 offspring next year. I've always understood that brumating was necessary for the female snake to ovulate. Pairing a Corn with a Kingsnake out of season could end with unhealthy results for the Corn. Good luck with your efforts next Spring

If you scroll down a bit you will see a post I made july 16. I described the technique I used to get corn x cal king hybrids. I feel this would work on the 2 species you wish to cross.

I had a clutch of 9 eggs from the king female, all hatched. There were 8 amel and 1 normal.

thats like a painted work of art.
Lia

I had a happy accident with these as it is my first hybrid clutch. It turns out my cal king is allelic for amelamisim.

Wow that is great luck. A snake like that will have a corn or king personality or is that as a whole impossible to say?
Lia

More like cornsnake than king. They are not nippy or nervous, but rather bold and quite unafraid of people.

Nice, thanks.
Lia

"it's like a painted work of art" How true!

I picked up my grandma a few yrs back from a place she goes to that she does crafts. They made ceramic snakes used for something(forgot what) and painted them all diff colors. The snakes I have seen on these boards that are live animals look better than the painted ceramic art ones I have seen.
Though ofcourse I would never tell my grandma this lol.
Lia

but it's a honduran X brooksi not a calif king x corn

Rainer
Is this pic pre or post shed?

It is pre shed. I take pics of all my babies right out of the egg before shed. I usually sell looking like that and then the buyer is even more surprised how good they look after they shed. Sometimes its a mistake because some dogs end up being 10's.