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To get a boa?

LizardLuva Aug 02, 2004 09:32 PM

in a few years i will be able to get a second snake. (Soon i will be getting a ball python...)

but my parents oked it. and here are the requirements, there pretty simple, i just want to now what you guys think...

ok number one:

Rodent diet, bonus if similar to a Ball Pythons, (pretty simple right)

No Colubrids, i just dont like em; ( i dont want anyone to recommend one)

Not another Ball Python, this is something that i want maybe one or two of these (not at the same time), i plan to breed balls later in life...

Housing: Nothing larger than a 40 Gallon Breeder...(preferably smaller)

Not too high matience, i want a fairly hardy herp

Under 100$ for the snake itself, 100$

Snake no greater than 5 ft in length, but this is a very flexible requirement....

THANKS everyone....

-Nic
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Nic
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Replies (5)

LizardLuva Aug 02, 2004 09:34 PM

Note the money requirement should read less than 50$ is more preferable, but if the snake is a great snake i might cough up more than 100$
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Nic
if you want to contact me: noseguardnoms@hotmail.com
Email me if you want to give me any more info

Hoppy Aug 02, 2004 09:50 PM

A Boa Constrictor (at least one that you might possibly find for $50-$100 will fit properly into the 40 gallon tank. Some of the Island Boas would Corn Island or other smaller dwarf boas, but they are a bit more money $200-$400 range. but there are some really good choices out there:
The Pacific Island Boas:
Soloman Island, Viper Boa, Soloman Island Tree Boa and there is a smaller dwarf version of them too but I forget what their common name is.
Some of these you may find in the $50-$100 range and some have very pretty markings and color.
The Rosie, Rubber and Sand Boas would all do well in that size tank and come in all sorts of colors. they are not as much Boa looking as some, but still great snakes with good dispostions.
Some of the rainbow boas may work in it. I have not ever worked with these boas but they tend to be much slimer and I think stay about 5 feet or so.
The tree Boas would also work, but they are more display animals and can inflict painful bites with their enlarged teeth, very grumpy animals.
On the Python side, you have a good choice in most of the Austrailian Pythons (not the scrubs though they get too big). but the carpets, Childrens Python, White Lip would all meet those requirments except for the cost of the snake. that is very limiting as most boas or pythons are over $100.00. You already ruled out another Ball Python, but there are also the blood Pythons, again might be out of your price range though.
My best choice for you would be one of the Pacific Island Boas, Soloman Island, as long as it is already feeding on mice, they are hard to switch if they are feeding on lizards.
Good Luck and in a few years when you can get your next snake, lets us know what you decided on
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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
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Raven01 Aug 03, 2004 09:17 AM

While I agree that several of the Candoia group (Solomon Island ground & tree boas, Santa Isabel ground boas & Viper boas) are a good choice in regards to size, they aren't the best choice for the novice keeper. For the under $100 price range, you would be talking neonates or small juveniles that may or may not be feeding on rodents...regardless of what a seller claims. Larger and older established animals are typically going to cost more than $100 on average...it isn't uncommon to see adults run $200 and up. They can be difficult feeders and young ones are delicate, especially those new born or just a few months old, and can be stressed rather easily. Also their feeding regimen is not that of the average boa or python. They have very slow growth rates (my yearling Santa Isabel still hasn't reached a foot in length yet) and overfeeding juveniles can cause death more readily than other species. Whle they don't require the warmer temperature ranges of most boas and pythons, they do need fairly exacting temperatures...too cool will result in respiratory infections and too warm can very easily cause death in juveniles. They also need proper humidity ranges with good ventilation for good health, which is not always easy to provide in a tank.

I would be the first to recommend these little beauties to someone with experience keeping boas and pythons, that already has a good grasp on husbandry, but not someone just starting out who's only kept one or two snakes before. That isn't to say the new keeper can't care for them properly, but that they can be a challenge that would turn most novice keepers away. For that matter, I know a number of experienced keepers that have become exaperated with this species and given them up. Even after keeping boas & pythons for 13 years, and Candoia for 2 years, I still find they can be frustrating captives (I own five - 2.2 Solomon Island ground boas and 0.1 Santa Isabel ground boa). Two of the five are particularly finicky feeders and even though they are feeding on rodents it is by no means a regular occurence. Up until a recent fire at my Mom's house, she bred field mice for me as feeders for one of the Solomon Island ground boas. Since the feeder colony was lost due to the fire, I am hoping I can now switch him to lab mice but he has adamantly refused anything but captive bred field mice in the past, so my concern is piqued.

As for some of the other species Hoppy mentioned, I soundly second the rosy boas, rubber boas, and sand boas, as well as the children's and spotted pythons. I'm not familiar with the white lip pythons, however. You would have to research the carpet pythons, but the jungle carpets and Irian Jaya carpets would stay in your size range, while the coastals will get much larger than your prefered limit. The rainbow boas are also an excellent option, but require higher humidity ranges than you can easily provide in a tank IMO. The exception being the Colombian rainbow boa, which I find to be much more tolerant of husbandry errors and variables than its Brazilian cousin. I have kept my Colombian rainbow in a tank for several months now and he's doing great so long as I provide the occassional misting. I also think the Amazaon tree boas would work well, though they typically run more than the $100 range and, as Hoppy said, have a tendency for biting.

Good luck whatever you choose.

Raven

biggworm Aug 03, 2004 12:51 AM

Hey Lizardluva,spotted python,western hognose,solomon tree,ground boa's.get a book from the library and check it out.READ,READ,READ SHOULD BE FUN good luck.

blackpine Aug 03, 2004 08:44 AM

Like biggworm says... read, read, read! Asking here is a great place to start but the more you read and learn, the better you'll be able to make your choice. The small Australian pythons sound like they'd be good choices for you.

Also, why such a closed mind about colubrids? There are lots of fantastic, interesting species that make great pets. Why limit yourself?

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