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I'm not sure that I completely buy into this idea of disiphering hets and norms by by the belly, but all the same it's kind of neat. My grade 11 biology understanding of genetics allow me to completly grasp how this works; is it like an incomplete co-dominence, if such a thing can exist. Regardless I'm curious to know what the experts think my snakes are. They are all '04s from Tom Talbot.

Het Pied male X Black-Backed female

Female #1

Female #2

Male #1

Male #2

Male #1 Dorsal Veiw
His back is black, though I have seen blacker backs.

Please let me know what you think.
Thank You
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I'm not sure that I completely buy into this idea of disiphering hets and norms by by the belly, but all the same it's kind of neat. My grade 11 biology understanding of genetics allow me to completly grasp how this works; is it like an incomplete co-dominence, if such a thing can exist. Regardless I'm curious to know what the experts think my snakes are. They are all '04s from Tom Talbot.

Het Pied male X Black-Backed female

Female #1

Female #2

Male #1

Male #2

Male #1 Dorsal Veiw
His back is black, though I have seen blacker backs.

Please let me know what you think.
Thank You
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"I'm tired of being a wannabe bowler! I wanna be a bowler!!"
-- Homer Simpson

Garg!!

the bleep in the images is "www.s"snakes"s.com" without the "'s

Sorry for all the problems
Thank You

Cam Hanna
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Still can't access the photos... just keeps refreshing the main page of the site ... with the same picture.
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I'm no expert as I haven't proven a het pied yet however none of those have the mark as I understand it. Of course there are numerous claims of known hets without the mark so I wouldn't worry about it.

The genetics behind a sporadic marker are an interesting mystery to me but I think it is well documented in Burmese pythons.

Here is a pic of the best female marker I produced last year from a 50% chance het male with the marker (half of the offspring from two such males had the marker for me last year). I just hatched a better-marked female and received an equally well marked male so I’ll try to get pics of those better examples up soon.

So what exactly is the "marker" there? Can you be a little more specific as to what to look for? Also, does this only apply to the Piebald trait or does it apply to any other recessive traits?

Thanks

Here is another photo of the het pied marker. You will notice a pair of darker lines running parallel towards the vent area.

These are basically marks which show up quite often from descendents of pieds.

I'm not sure I believe all the hidden gene/marker stuff, however do find it very interesting to read about.

Rich Macias
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Here is a really nice example in a 25% chance het pied male produced by Raul Gomez.

They vary some but you look for a nice wide white belly with thick straight and connected black lines along the outside edges of the belly, particularly toward the tail.

There have been rumors of different sporadic het signs in other "recessive" morphs but I haven't seen good documentation of what those signs might be.

thanks, your image didnt show up but I was able to get the URL from the properties of it and see pic. Here it is for anyone else wanting to see the it:

www.ball-pythons.net/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10105/normal_M04PRG01botMed.jpg

Sorry, must have exceeded bandwidth or something as it was showing up earlier. Your link doesn't even work for me now.

Maybe I'll get a good pic of all three and use it to replace the pic of the one from last year on kingsnake (they downed the free storage size and I'm out of space).

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If I was you I'd not even worry about it. Some of my pied hets have it, some don't. Some of my albino hets have it, some don't. Some of my normals have it, some don't. That's the only consistency that I see.
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Ok, I got a new pic of some of my 25% chance het pieds with the marker. It's hard to get a good pic, especially of more than one. The biggest one is showing too far up her body to see the mark but you can get the idea from the other two, particularly the middle sized one which is an excellent example. He is an early 2004 produced by Raul Gomez from a 50% chance het pied with the marker. The little girl who hatched earlier this week is also very good but her marks are so far out on the edge of the belly that the best side isn’t visible in this picture. I produced the little one and the big girl from one of two 50% chance het pied males with the marker who each father almost exactly half babies with the marker.

Please post pics of your presumed not het pieds with this marker so we can compare and see if there are any obvious ways to distinguish between the marker seen in these possible het pieds and a possible look alike seen in normals.

Of course I also believe that there should be a good number of het pieds imported every year but unless you have been selecting your normals for this mark you should not have a high percentage of them.