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About answering newbie type questions, I have some questions

FR Aug 03, 2004 10:38 PM

As most of you know, I stay away from newbie questions, its not because I don't like newbies, (I love newbies, I had three this mourning for breakfast)(Eddie Murphy doing Eddy Amien)(please laugh)

The reason I don't is, I do not know how to. Thats simple huh.

The problem is, I feel the whole boat/vessel/nine yards, is being missed.

The actual hardfact guide to husbandry is very very simple and can be done in a few paragraphs. like many of the care sheets. But alas, I do not care for caresheets, hahahahahahahahaha please laugh

For instance a recent question was about types of meat and stuff, you know, beef, chicken, turkey, turkey diet, canned monitor/dog/cat food. Are they bad? should they be fed, how often, etc.

In my experience, you can feed monitors doorknobs(the above). They are tough as nails, but that too is not the point. The point is, any of those foods, many temps, many substrates can be used incorrectly or correctly.

To me, the question is, how do you know whats correct?

I think its fine for experienced keepers to use partial foods(the above) But I would not suggest it for newbies. For newbies I would suggest whole food items. Are you following this?

Beginers do not know how to recognize when something is "not" working well, often until its too late. Keepers with experience should know by the look and behavior of the monitor.

All the above leads to the punchline. The monitor The monitor tells you what is the right food, the right temp, the right substrate, etc. By judging the progress and condition of the monitor, you make husbandry decisions.

This is why newbies should stick with "known safe" husbandry choices. At least until they "know" what a healthy monitor is and looks like.

Please help, thank you, I'll stand over here.

Speaking of that, someone forget to check on the condition of that KD in the post below, the keeper/s, should be beat into semi-conscious state with a lambchop. I mean talk about a porker, belly flowing great distances from the monitor. OH man.

The pic is a Lacie moving an egg into her nest, the series is on V.net. Thank you FR
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Bloodbat Aug 03, 2004 11:32 PM

Answering a newbie, or any, question is fairly easy.

You provide a general answer with some specifics. Confusing? Not really.

What should I feed my monitor?

(based on your statements above) Feed it whole prey items because... (insert the reasons here). Perhaps provide a few possible items (rats, mice, people, etc.). Based on the actual question, you can address their questions directly...

Can I feed it hot dogs, hamburgers, ice cream...

It's not a good idea. Hot dogs, hamburgers, ice cream generally do not provide everything a monitor needs. (Perhaps list some of the specific problems of said food items or benefits of better items).

Perhaps a brief reminder that one should judge how well a monitor is doing by its behaviors and appearances (and giving a description of what someone might observe) could compliment the response.

One can go through the same type of process for "what temp should I keep the animal at?" "What size cage do I need?" "How are they temperment-wise?" "How big will it get?" and so on.

Sure, you (anyone) can go off on the evils of trying to force a monitor into one condition. However, newbies are looking for much more concrete (specific) answers to their questions. The average newbie is not breeding the monitor or doing anything "special." There is little harm in giving the newbie specific information while cautioning that as time goes on and they learn more things, that the information you provided will not apply or not be sufficient or whatever for their new goals.

It is 11:30pm and I hope this made sense.

P.S. From where is the lacie moving the egg and why is it being moved? Why was the egg not deposited in an egg chamber or tunnel or whatever? Why can we see it in this picture? What does any of that suggest about the nesting materials, conditions, and monitor?
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^x^ Bloodbat ^x^
Monitors, monitors everywhere
and all the food they ate.
Monitors, monitors everywhere,
their parents loved to mate.

FR Aug 04, 2004 10:16 AM

Answering a newbie, or any, question is fairly easy.
answering anything is easy, the question is how effective is it? Its similar to my example, is the advice often used or does the monitor simply perish, from the patterns shown here, the monitor dies first. That makes the advice ineffective.

You provide a general answer with some specifics. Confusing? Not really.
I am glad its so simple for you, but then, your not me. Also, many keepers do not think they are confused when they keep a monitor in a shoe box at 85F. In fact, they see no reason why they shouldn't. I will apply that non-confusion to you, how effective has your approach been? You see, its not your approach thats important, its the results of your approach. Thats important.

What should I feed my monitor?

(based on your statements above) Feed it whole prey items because... (insert the reasons here). Perhaps provide a few possible items (rats, mice, people, etc.). Based on the actual question, you can address their questions directly...

Can I feed it hot dogs, hamburgers, ice cream...

It's not a good idea. Hot dogs, hamburgers, ice cream generally do not provide everything a monitor needs. (Perhaps list some of the specific problems of said food items or benefits of better items).
I am sorry, I opened my post with a wide range of subjects, then narrowed it down to a specific problem. Please try and stay on subject. You should understand, that I did mention food items, like meats, etc. Not hot dogs and ice cream. Its my opinion, feeding things like hot dogs and ice cream, is NOT a newbie problem. Its a problem with the dull tacks in the box(not so smart people). Newbie means lack of experience, not lacking brains. To feed ice cream is not lacking experience, is it?

Its been my experience that people who feed ice cream and dogs, have an odd agenda, and are not really interested in having a healthy monitor.

Perhaps a brief reminder that one should judge how well a monitor is doing by its behaviors and appearances (and giving a description of what someone might observe) could compliment the response.
I think the point I was trying to make is, the effects on the monitor should be the most important bit of information a newbie can learn. Remember, the ability to recongize how the montior is reacting to conditions is KEY to the success of the monitor. This absolutely continues with what ever experience level you may attain. So to learn what is important early "may" have an advantage.

One can go through the same type of process for "what temp should I keep the animal at?" "What size cage do I need?" "How are they temperment-wise?" "How big will it get?" and so on.

Sure, you (anyone) can go off on the evils of trying to force a monitor into one condition. However, newbies are looking for much more concrete (specific) answers to their questions. The average newbie is not breeding the monitor or doing anything "special." There is little harm in giving the newbie specific information while cautioning that as time goes on and they learn more things, that the information you provided will not apply or not be sufficient or whatever for their new goals.

Why do you think breeding has anything to do with this thread, did I mention that anywhere in my post, no, I did not. But now that you brought it up. Breeding is not special and doing something special to attain it is a huge misconception. Simply put, monitors by design and purpose, are meant to breed(recruit) They not only do so in good conditions, but do so, all the way to what should be considered the least tolerable. You must understand, below the ability to breed(recruit) is exstintion. Again simply put, all it takes for healthy monitors to breed is, a mate. How special can that be?

My suggestion to you is, if you have adult female monitors that do not lay eggs, you may want to reconsider what your calling healthy. In reality, you cannot stop a healthy female from laying eggs. A female that physically cannot lay eggs must be considered unhealthy.

It is 11:30pm and I hope this made sense.

P.S. From where is the lacie moving the egg and why is it being moved? Why was the egg not deposited in an egg chamber or tunnel or whatever? Why can we see it in this picture? What does any of that suggest about the nesting materials, conditions, and monitor?
I am not sure what your asking, but I did explain there was a series of pics and where it was. I would think you should look at the whole series before asking all sort of questions. If you looked at the series and still have questions, then please keep it simple, and ask one question at a time, remember how easily I am confused. I am not sure this series is suppose to suggest anything, not about nesting, or conditions, or the monitor. Its simply a real series of a real event, take from it what suits you.

I am not sure we will ever knows the whys of what monitors do, not all of them. I think the importance of that series is to shown the "event". That is, monitors can and do have the ability to move eggs. I have seen it many times, but as you should know, its not the best idea to be messing around a nesting monitor. Its a risk, but I took that risk to express that event to other people. Maybe you should just say thanks and leave it at that. FR
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^x^ Bloodbat ^x^
Monitors, monitors everywhere
and all the food they ate.
Monitors, monitors everywhere,
their parents loved to mate.

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Geekaydragon Aug 04, 2004 09:21 AM

I think that one of the biggest things that would help would be for "sticky" posts. Ones that always stay at the top. Maybe have it called "If you're new and have a question read this first." and just list the most common questions people ask. I've only been on these boards about 6 months and I can already pick out most of the big recurring questions ( food, good first monitor, what size is good for my monitor, temps, humidity, supplements ).

Lock it so only you can modify it ( so there isn't a 10 mile long post ) but keep the basics there.

Most newbies, as I am one as well, always seek the same information. People in this forum have seen it too much and get irritated and their constructive criticism can be taken as a harsh attack. One solid post ( not a care sheet, but more of a "This forum's FAQs" ).

Then again this all rides on having sticky posts and the forum appears to be a simpler one with just post new or reply ( then again maybe you can and I just haven't noticed ).

~GK

Just trying to throw out some suggestions to help relieve the stress.

FR Aug 04, 2004 10:27 AM

Actually I though there was a FAQ here, there use to be. hahahahahahahahahaha, I havn't looked at it to be honest.

I may be wrong, but I think it was something Jefe did and was linked to KS, then for some reason, its no longer here. I think its still on our site, but again I could be wrong about that too. I will go check. FR

FR Aug 04, 2004 10:28 AM

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