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broken arm? please help

beardiedragon Aug 04, 2004 08:36 AM

One of my customers has a one year old BD. He fell the other day injuring his front left arm. It is slightly swollen. He cannot use it at all, it is totally limp. He does not react (in pain) to touching or moving it. He does not use it and just drags himself around.

I recomended x-rays but the boy's mother won't spend the money for it. I have never had a BD with this type of injury. any advice would be appreciated. I don't know if it's a sprain a break or if it is dislocated.

Help please!
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Bennett

www.beardiedragon.com

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Edited on August 22, 2004 at 23:59:36 by phwyvern.

Replies (6)

heartmountain Aug 04, 2004 09:35 AM

Hey Bennett, while you're completely right xrays would be best, if they can tape it up to body (like a sling for a beardie) for a while that helps sometimes. if it's not really painfull to the touch, i would guess that it's just sprained or possibly dislocated and the sling will help with those. if it's broken, it really needs to see the vet though (but you already knew that). even on breaks most vets i know will just use the popsicle stick and tape thing. good luck convincing them.

Sean
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Heart Mountain Herps

tazok Aug 04, 2004 09:36 AM

I'm by no means an expert on broken bones and such, but I think regardless of whether its a broken bone or dislocation, the leg is going to have to be immobilzied to give it a chance to heal, so a splint of some type is probably in order. For something like a dragon this is going to be tricky. With a splint, catching live prey will be difficult, hand feeding will probably be required. Probably not telling you anything you don't already know, so I stop now. In short, the owner really should see a vet (without it, the chances that the beardie will recover are very slim).

Joel R Aug 04, 2004 09:42 AM

It needs to be reset or the bones will fuse together wrong! That would be horrible. Talk that mother into an X-ray. Let her know, that's the same as letting an injured dog go untreated, it's animal cruelty & is a crime. She could be prosecuted if animal control or fish & game found out. Not to threaten her, just let her know she is breaking the law.
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Joel R

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beardiedragon Aug 04, 2004 10:30 AM

kinda what I thought but wanted confirmation. I wasn't sure about taping the arm to the body. I will talk to the mom and try to convince her.
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Bennett

www.beardiedragon.com

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Edited on August 23, 2004 at 00:00:09 by phwyvern.

kakadu Aug 04, 2004 08:47 PM

First, are you sure that this is not complicated with MBD?

Everthing I am posting is way too complicated for a young boy, do you have access to the animal? Even with experiance you really need x-rays to identify the fracture, check for bone density, and rule out other complications such as the rare instance of comminuted fractures.

I am just going to copy an excerpt form Reptile Medicine and Surgery by D. Mader. If you want any pictures e-mail me.

Healing time for tramatic fractures is generally 6- 18 months (yes thats 18, I didn't mis-type, reptiles heal slowly). Pathalogical fractures from MBD heal much more quickly (6-8 weeks) following correction of hypocalcemia and treatment with synthetic salmon calcitonin...

...Fractures that are minimally displaces usually heal with with minimal support...

(when complicated with MBD) ...These fractures are hard to stabilize using internal fixation because the bones are too soft to support implants...Fortunately, once the patients calcium homeostasis has been re-established, fracture healing progresses reapidly with a fibrous union providing stability as early as 3-4 weeks.
A wide variety of splinting and casting techniques have been used successfully... All form of external coaptation should be monitered closely for evidence of soiling, slippage, creation of vascular compromise, or other problems.
Soft conforming cast padding and conforming roll gauze work well for the initial padding layers. These materials should be cut to an appropriate width. Using a roll that is too wide will result in a lumpy, cumbersome bandage. The bandage may be reinforced with a wooden applicator stick, a tounge depressor, an aluminum rod, lightweight casting material, or other substances that will provide bending stability. Most of these do not conform to the normal angles of a reptile limb, necessitating that the limb be splinted in extension. This can result in a decreased in the range of motion in immobilized joints following splint removal.
In applying a splint, tape stirrups may be applied to the skin to be incorporated into the bandage and prevent slippage. The first layer should consist of padding material. The padding is compressed with an expansile wrap such as conforming gauze, bandaging tape, or elastic tape. If no reinforcing spint is necessary, elastic tape or bandaging tape should be used. Is a splinting material is reguired, conforming gauze is should be applied. The splint should be placed external to the guaze and covered with a final layer layer of bandaging or elastic tape.
Tubular traction may be used to treat fractures of the crus, antebrachium, distal humerus, and distal femur. A tube such as a syringe case of an appropriate diameter for the patients limb size, and should be padded at the proximal end. Tape stirrups are applied to the limb and secured to it. padding is added to the limb to limit movement within the tube. The tape is then secured to the outside of the tube maintaining the limb in extension and traction.
In lizards with fractures in the humerus or femur may be stabilized with a modified spica splint that will cross over the pelvic or pectoral girdle to the opposite limb, stabilizing the hip or shoulder joint and achieving the goal of immobilizing the joints proximal and distal to the fracture. Most lizards stand relativly
In reptiles the degree of malalignment that is acceptable is much higher then in mammals. When some degree of malalignment is acceptable, the limb may be stabilized by securin it to the body. This is espcially applicable in lizards with MBD...Fractures of the humerous may be stabilized by pulling the leg caudually to apply traction to aid in reducting and securing the limb to the body with adhesive tape. The tape must not be aplied to tightly that it will interfere with respiration. With this method, some motion is expected at the fracture site as a result of body movement, but in many cases the result is acceptable.
Kakadu Dragons

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beardiedragon Aug 04, 2004 09:10 PM

I dont think it is MBD as the BD gets calcium and UV lighting as well as some time outside in the sun and has no ap[parent symptoms. Everything was fine until he fell. I used some cling gauze to wrap his arm to his body this afternoon and within 10 minutes he had managed to pull jis limp arm out and free hemself. So i put it on a little tighter keeping his arm flat against his body.

Thanks for the typing intensive post. that's great info. Hope I wont need it.
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Bennett

www.beardiedragon.com

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Edited on August 23, 2004 at 00:38:54 by phwyvern.

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