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I know your post was about something, I or we, missed. But after I wrote that dumb and toooooo long response, I realized what I missed.

I missed the whole part of how you would have us take care of monitors in captivity. You know, your protocal, methods, husbandry, etc. what has worked for you and what you suggest will work for us? All that. Oh yea, show us your cages, and such too. So we can use you as a good example of what monitors should do in captivity. Do you use Retes boards, why arn't they called Sweetboards, that does have a nice ring, whoops sorry. Remember, we are in the states and they do not allow us to release them, so what to do, oh what to do???????

You were right, I was missing something. I really should listen more.(to humans) FR

"Do you use Retes boards, why arn't they called Sweetboards, that does have a nice ring, whoops sorry."

No you didn't! hahahahaha

Good job!
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0.0.1 Varanus Salvator (Gator)
0.1.3 Varanus Exanthematicus (Adisa "long term captive" other 3 "yet to be named hatchlings"
2.0 Ferrets (Chaos & Kasha)
1.0 Cat (George)

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And seriously how he does long field studies, travels, writes papers, and books, yet still has time to care for his crocs, he said "some of use can FR and chew at the same time" (or something to that effect), haha, anyways, it would be interesting to see how those animals are doing and how his research affects his monitors that are kept as the rest of us have ours in a box, and if he implements his research and preachings or just does as he says he "FRs", if so why preach to do different if you implement the opposite? I sure hope nobody takes offense to this, after all its an honest question into an area that is never talked about or answered. The rest of us try to use personal experience to help others, as well post pics, and everyday occurences.

I do not believe he has been doing field work in a while. In other words, no excuses.

You also forget, I spend as much time in the field as he did, right in the middle of my major breeding.

The missing part is, we can only do the best we can. Give as much as we can. We can allow good lifes for captives.

I will mention he's a bit of a loose screw, he talks about how wary and fast and sensitive they are in nature, but sees no problem with catching them and putting in radios with antennes sticking out, then following them with a giant antenne sicking up. he does not think that bothers them. Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I think he simply wants it his way. thats Cool enough, but show us with what we have, captive monitors. That he cannot do. oh one more, I wonder how he feels having to battle in a war of words with someone so uneducated, and he has a PHD. Again, Hmmmmmmmmmm FR

Agree to disagree already; we all know the differences between wild and captivity - too many options to even worry about. Sam is successful and so are you, but in different ways, no need to keep the hammer pounding - the only reason I can see is to discredit one another, and thats not cool. I let it go years ago and it is so much nicer not having people email me and tell me whats being said behind my back by forum users. Sure, this is about captive monitors, but wild monitors can say a few things too. I can just hear the lacies saying which people on hear they would really like to get ahold of (I can also see the vast majority of people here who have never seen a monitor in the wild running from a pissed off lacie, lol).

Great observation, Its not about monitors, its about trying to discredit people, and Sams the one doing it. Yes, and hes doing it to you.

I said below, What I do, doe not harm him(Sam), and what he does, will not harm me, so why the concern..

I also said, this is not about wild monitors, its about captive ones. You also know, much of my information and guidence came from natural monitors. Again not the point.

I even pointed out there is a Academic/Scientific forum. Which may be better suited for him. Again not the point.

The one point is, he is not a Successful known keeper, that has shown any profiecency with monitors or any reptile, he is a field biologist. Whether hes a good one or a bad one is not of concern here and not the point.

The reality, hes slamming you Jeff and what you have done, yes, what you have done privately and what you have done at CRESS. You did notice hes dissing the monitors in groups thing, which you did, hes dissing muliticlutching which you did. You even kept groups of reptiles and monitors at CRESS, I know, you showed me. Hes dissing pairs of reptiles living together for more then a few minutes. You continue to do that with all sorts of reptiles. You do that, Alan did that, Pete did that, Joe, does that, Jeff H, Jesse Black, etc. And all these folks were successful to various levels and lenghts of time. They all produced monitors for reasons that are your/their own. All these and more became successful, by keeping monitors in pairs/groups.

I do not believe we saw any delerious effects from that, not worse then introducing animals that have not lived together. In fact, far less problems, and that IS the point.

Yet you do not say, Hey Sam, I had some monitors live together and multiclutch and that did not seem to bother them. And Sam, I did not do it for money, Sam really they just did that. You know Jeff, you do not have to like or dislike Sam or I, to say the truth.

So yes, your right, Sam is not doing this for the monitors, hes doing it for OTHER reasons, and only god knows what that is. Oh and Sam. But I believe, discrediting is the center of it.

Thats why I ask, show us what to do, show us. But there is nothing to show, only discrediting others. Great.

So, thanks for pointing this out, and please, why are you not defending yourself and your monitors? FR

I think everyone is about discrediting other people here (it was obvious in what you just wrote too Frank, so fingers should not be pointed). Sure, I bred them, and multiclutched them, but I also said I never saw this in nature nor did I believe they were social in the mammal sense (remember when we talked of varanosocialism?). I could care less about what people on forums think and I truthfully have very little time for it. I would much rather be looking at animals. Sam definitely has his place here and has alot to offer, why not just take what he has and use it to your advantage instead of ripping on him (not pointing at just you FR). Remember all the great conversations that used to go on here with Trooper, Matt Vincent, and everyone else? All gone now, for the same reasons as what we just witnessed below. It really is a shame for forum users who just want to know monitor stuff in general.

You're just as guilty for the stuff below.

Why won't Sam answer the questions below? That can still make for a good discussion

I have asked Sam nicely, many times to share, to show, to explain, yet none of that appears, only fighting.

Yes, this place is a roughhouse and only the strong survive, and surely its not about me. Just look at recent posts and threads I am not envolved in.

This place is no different then the real world, its in fact full of real world people. Which means, all kinds. But alas, it should not be about people, unless we grow scales and a forked tougue. (some have the tougue)

I am just a kid from the wrong side of the tracks, and there I learned, not to talk, but to show, I have showed all of what I say. That is all I ask of others, because, as you know, words can be twisted and turned, until they are of no benefit.

My attendance in these forums is to "benefit" the monitors. Not to benefit the people. In reality, they should be the same. Yes. FR

You know what? He always says this and says that. Somehow to me, its like he's hellbent on shooting you down. He's in the "Nerds that keep monitors and those who dont " club. The smarty pants, what clowns lol.

sorry man but these guys never say anything.

I'd love to see how mr Sam Sweet keeps his crocs. I mean it must be something groundbreaking. Show us pics of your crocs eating, fighting, ph-ucking. Anything??? Wow I wanna see how you balance the ARM thing with the monitors you keep. I mean cmon youre a teacher and dont know how to work a digicam. Wow c'mon now?