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Reptariums for Uros?

lovelyleopards Aug 09, 2004 09:03 AM

Hi Guys,

As of last Saturday I am a new Uromastyx owner. I purchased a gorgeous, fat pair of what I believe are Mali Uromastyx at a local herp show this weekend. They are LTC and look so much better than any of the fresh imports. i had them housed temporarily in a large 55 gallon sterilite tub, but yesterday I realized that my basking spot had been a wee bit too close to the wall of the tub. Sooo - I have a large male uro on the loose in my house, and surprisingly, I am having a hard time finding him! But anyway, I'm trying to find a more suitable source of housing. I know that repatriums are not suitable for many species of reptile because of humidity concerns, butthis isn't a problem with uros. So does anyone use them with theri uros? Can anyone give me an educated guess of wether or not one would be okay? Thanks for any help, and I'll post photos as soon as I can capture the male. Thanks in advance!
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Inhabitants of the reptile room:
Leopard geckos, pictus geckos, crested geckos, african fat-tails, Paroedura bastardi bastardi, Bent-Toed geckos, a velvet gecko, Henkel's Leaf Tails, Bibron's geckos, Texas Banded Geckos, Corn snakes, Ball Pythons, Honduran milks, a single Taiwan Beauty, Leucistic Texas Rats, Solomon Island Tree Boas, a pair of Mali Uromastyx, and a single baby bearded dragon... whew, I think that's it.......

Replies (11)

bloodroses19 Aug 09, 2004 11:31 AM

hey! congrats on your new uros and i hope you find the runaway. i use a reptarium for my cone head lizzard. it works well for him because he is a climer and likes to be up high. but uros arnt that good at climing because they tend to fall alot. and i dont like the dark mesh because its not as nice as being able to see through glass. are they going to be housed together?
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brandy

jeune18 Aug 09, 2004 12:41 PM

i use them on all my lizards (all desert lizards)and they all seem to love them and cannot stand it when i put them in glass cages for whatever reason. helga likes to climb on the sides but every uro is different. they are not the prettiest cages in the world but i like them because i feel that the lizards get more air and although it does filter some sunlight i feel i can stick the cages in the sun for a little while and not have to worry about frying the lizards as much as with glass cages. also i don't have to worry about them banging their noses on the glass and hurting themselves. these are just my opinions and i am sure there are more experienced uro keepers who can tell you a more educated answer.
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vonnie
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mwilso1 Aug 09, 2004 01:19 PM

>>i use them on all my lizards (all desert lizards)and they all seem to love them and cannot stand it when i put them in glass cages for whatever reason. helga likes to climb on the sides but every uro is different. they are not the prettiest cages in the world but i like them because i feel that the lizards get more air and although it does filter some sunlight i feel i can stick the cages in the sun for a little while and not have to worry about frying the lizards as much as with glass cages. also i don't have to worry about them banging their noses on the glass and hurting themselves. these are just my opinions and i am sure there are more experienced uro keepers who can tell you a more educated answer.
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>>vonnie

Open mesh reptariums are not very suitable for Uros unless you can figure out some way to hold in the heat. While providing a warm basking spot is great you also need to control the air temperature.

You should have one area of the enclosure have an air temperature of 95 degrees or over (not surface or basking temperature but open air temperature). Unless you keep the mesh cage in a reptile room with a high ambient air temperature (or you like your house to be above 95) then I am not sure how you would manage it.

Think about it this way... if your room temperature is 75 and the uro feels stressed and wants to hide in a secure location or just wants to sit in the shade then body temperature will fall to 75 which is far below what they need to digest or fight off diseases.

Not saying that a healthy Uro could not be maintained in an open air enclosure, but it would be more difficult. Things like retes stacks, ceramic or stone hides that absorb and re-radiate heat, or a full dirt setup (though doing that in a reptarium would be a trick) might help, you would need to measure and watch all of the temps very carefully.

This is also why 20gal long tanks are not recommended as mainting a temperature gradient is very difficult in such a small tank. Not impossible, just difficult check out Ryu`s Home to see how I dealt with that problem (for a while, it was easier in the long run to move up to a larger enclosure)

The traditional method is to keep your uro in an enclosed cage large enough to make temperature management easier. Feel free to go off the traditional path but just be ready to break some new ground and solve some new problems .

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Mike Wilson
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lovelyleopards Aug 09, 2004 02:11 PM

Well, here is what I was thinking - On one side of the reptarium, I would have the usual 100 watt basking bulb with a basking platform beneath. As I substrate I would like to use playsand, which holds and re-releases heat relatively well. Then on the "cool" side of the enclosure I can place a human heating pad, which on a high setting can heat 2-3 inches of sand to 90-95 degrees. I also keep a 60 watt general reptile bulb on the "cool" side just to help ambient temps. To me, this setup would seem sufficient, but I may not be thinking of something...
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Inhabitants of the reptile room:
Leopard geckos, pictus geckos, crested geckos, african fat-tails, Paroedura bastardi bastardi, Bent-Toed geckos, a velvet gecko, Henkel's Leaf Tails, Bibron's geckos, Texas Banded Geckos, Corn snakes, Ball Pythons, Honduran milks, a single Taiwan Beauty, Leucistic Texas Rats, Solomon Island Tree Boas, a pair of Mali Uromastyx, and a single baby bearded dragon... whew, I think that's it.......

mwilso1 Aug 09, 2004 03:53 PM

>>Well, here is what I was thinking - On one side of the reptarium, I would have the usual 100 watt basking bulb with a basking platform beneath. As I substrate I would like to use playsand, which holds and re-releases heat relatively well. Then on the "cool" side of the enclosure I can place a human heating pad, which on a high setting can heat 2-3 inches of sand to 90-95 degrees. I also keep a 60 watt general reptile bulb on the "cool" side just to help ambient temps. To me, this setup would seem sufficient, but I may not be thinking of something...

You can sure try that, but I think unless the ambient temperature in the room is fairly high you will have a hard time maintaining a decent gradient.

You talk about a heating pad raising the sand temp to 90-95 but that is a "basking" or surface temp not an ambient temp.

Quick rundown on basking vs ambient and how I measure them.

I measure basking temps with a non-contact infrared thermometer (temp-gun) which is the only reliable way of doing it. This measures the temperature of objects in the enclosure (rocks, substrate, basking platforms) and tells you what sort of temperature will be conducted to your reptile by direct contact with the object and give you some idea how much heat your reptile will absorb by direct radiation in that same location. This is important because it lets you know how much belly heat the reptile will get when in contact with that object and how quickly the radiated heat will warm up your reptile. For Uros I like to have several different areas of basking temps that run from 100-140 (for adults and older juvies, and a max of 120-130 for babes)

Ambient temps I measure with digital probe thermometers but can be measured with accurate dial thermometers. The important thing to remember when measuring ambient is to not let the thermometer come in contact with any surface or substrate and preferably be in the shade, especially with dial thermometers as the clear glass will capture the radiated heat turning the inside of the thermometer into a mini sauna giving you a false reading. The thing for your reptile with ambient temps is that they can never be cooler than the ambient temp (since they don't have any significant way to cool themselves) and will be no warmer than ambient unless they are getting additional heat from conduction or radiation (which is your basking temp). For Uros I like an ambient gradient that runs from 80-85 on the cool side to 95-100 or a touch more in some very small controlled spots on the warm side.

As you can see with an open air enclosure all of the ambient temps are likely to be the same as the ambient room temperature. Even if you were to have some nice warm rocks at 100 degrees radiating that heat and heating the air, that air will rise through convection bringing in more room temperature air.

So while an open air enclosure may be possible in very warm climates with no air conditioning (as someone posted previously) unless you are willing to heat an entire room you will be fighting an uphill battle to maintain a proper temperature gradient. Even in a warm climate you will probably have problems keeping the ambient temps on the cool side cool enough.

Sorry about the dissertation but I have seen a lot of confusion about basking vs ambient in other discussions and wanted to try and help clear it up.

Of course this is all my personal experience and opinion and should be taken as such. There is more than one way to do things so you should try things out for yourself (without an animal hopefully) and see how they work.

Just keep measuring those temps all the time and in multiple places.

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Mike Wilson
mwilson@fuu.net

robyn@ProExotics Aug 09, 2004 05:40 PM

just reading through, and i have got to say, nice job on the temperature term breakdown
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robyn@proexotics.com

Pro Exotics Reptiles

jeune18 Aug 09, 2004 02:54 PM

to mention that i live in southern california and all the cages are by the opened screen door (during the day, i close it at night). i very rarely run my air because it is too expensive and even when i do it's only a window unit that does not make it to the back of the apartment. so if i don't live in 95 degree temps then i live really really close to it i understand what you are saying and it makes perfect sense but for some reason i really like those screen cages, it must be the bull headed taurus in me
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vonnie
***One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making exciting discoveries. - A. A. Milne***

cv768 Aug 10, 2004 07:26 AM

I would think that when the uros get full grown like mine (about 500 grams) they would shred or eventually wreck the reptariums...I always thought they were only good for crested geckos and chameleons.

Just my thoughts.
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lovelyleopards Aug 09, 2004 02:40 PM

Hi! The man that I purchased the pair from at the show had gotten them from a young boy that had purchased them at a petshop 2 years ago. He said that they were taken adequate care of, but were skinny and did not look as good as they should. He then purchased them, dewormed them, and had them for 6 months. They look great except for some stuck shed which should come off with a good soak. They have been together ever since the boy had them, so I see no point in separating them, especially since I'm hoping they'll breed next spring with a good cycle this winter. They seem perfectly at ease with one another. Here's a pic I just took of them. They are Malis, right? Thanks!

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Inhabitants of the reptile room:
Leopard geckos, pictus geckos, crested geckos, african fat-tails, Paroedura bastardi bastardi, Bent-Toed geckos, a velvet gecko, Henkel's Leaf Tails, Bibron's geckos, Texas Banded Geckos, Corn snakes, Ball Pythons, Honduran milks, a single Taiwan Beauty, Leucistic Texas Rats, Solomon Island Tree Boas, a pair of Mali Uromastyx, and a single baby bearded dragon... whew, I think that's it.......

triad Aug 21, 2004 04:19 PM

They look like Mali's. Cause that's what mine and my bros are and the one at the top of the pic, thats facing towards the right, thats the she right? My mali has a similar pattern on his back.

debb_luvs_uros Aug 09, 2004 01:06 PM

Reptariums were not designed for desert dwelling species that require high ambient temperatures. Although the correct basking spot temperature may be achievable, obtaining the proper gradient temperatures will be next to impossible with a screened enclosure that was designed for maximum airflow not designed to retain heat.

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